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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it)." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes.." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances", ">\n\nIf we fed them human's (lions and tigers in the zoo), they'd soon be dying from poor diet as we're all full of high fructose corn syrup, some full of steroids. Some would break their teeth on our knee or hip replacements and at least half the adult population suffers from mad cows disease one a month... oops did I say that out aloud?!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances", ">\n\nIf we fed them human's (lions and tigers in the zoo), they'd soon be dying from poor diet as we're all full of high fructose corn syrup, some full of steroids. Some would break their teeth on our knee or hip replacements and at least half the adult population suffers from mad cows disease one a month... oops did I say that out aloud?!", ">\n\nCan get the bodies to the customers in a reasonable amount of time without them decaying. Plus people don’t like the idea of their loved ones getting eaten." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances", ">\n\nIf we fed them human's (lions and tigers in the zoo), they'd soon be dying from poor diet as we're all full of high fructose corn syrup, some full of steroids. Some would break their teeth on our knee or hip replacements and at least half the adult population suffers from mad cows disease one a month... oops did I say that out aloud?!", ">\n\nCan get the bodies to the customers in a reasonable amount of time without them decaying. Plus people don’t like the idea of their loved ones getting eaten.", ">\n\nIn Zoroastrianism (a type of religion), they actually do feed their dead to animals (scavengers, to be precise). Their dead are left in this place called a Tower of Silence (their version of a graveyard) so that vultures can feed on them." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances", ">\n\nIf we fed them human's (lions and tigers in the zoo), they'd soon be dying from poor diet as we're all full of high fructose corn syrup, some full of steroids. Some would break their teeth on our knee or hip replacements and at least half the adult population suffers from mad cows disease one a month... oops did I say that out aloud?!", ">\n\nCan get the bodies to the customers in a reasonable amount of time without them decaying. Plus people don’t like the idea of their loved ones getting eaten.", ">\n\nIn Zoroastrianism (a type of religion), they actually do feed their dead to animals (scavengers, to be precise). Their dead are left in this place called a Tower of Silence (their version of a graveyard) so that vultures can feed on them.", ">\n\nThis question surely was concocted by a psychopath...as a fellow human, I hope when you pass over that someone loved you very much and wants to treat your remains with dignity and respect and not offer your corpse up as tiger food. \nIt's about honouring the life of the person and giving people the right to say goodbye with respect. Funerary rites are as old as we are...even older. Neanderthals also buried their dead. We are conscious of our circumstances and the cycle of life. We honour the memories of our deceased." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nThe biggest issue I see with this is zoo carnivores associating human bodies and smells to food. Zookeepers, zoology veterinarians and even the public would be at a much greater risk.", ">\n\nThat, and I think it is a far assessment to say the human body isn’t as nutritious as what these animals would naturally eat. We eat a lot of garbage.", ">\n\nWhat are you trying to say? That I am what I eat? Absurd, bro", ">\n\nSniff I am the happy, happy, happy, happy, happiest pizza", ">\n\nNobody wants to think about mom being eaten at the zoo! I read a story about a son who followed his mother's last wish and donated her body to science, She ended up being blown up by the US Army... Research for explosives and effective armor. It seems he was pretty pissed off!", ">\n\n\"Nobody wants to think about mom being eaten at a zoo!\"\nBut here we are camping under the skies at the zoo, and trying to keep my wife's moans and squeals timed with the animal noises.", ">\n\nAight I mean, you do you I guess", ">\n\nhis wifes doing him", ">\n\nNo I am doing my wife.", ">\n\nNah you’re wife’s doing you I bet", ">\n\nWell I do like a good cowgirl", ">\n\nI wouldn't feed an animal me. They deserve MUCH better than that.", ">\n\nYall saying a lot of stuff about humans being unfit for consumption or for safety reasons, but why is nobody talking about how the zookeepers would have to handle human meat? I feel like that would take a toll on a lot of people's mental...", ">\n\nA zoo could hire morticians and morticians are used to working with dead humans. You need to make sure that the body is not embalmed. Many people would love a job that pays twice minimum wage. Some people would wonder about someone who has 2 jobs: Cooking hamburgers and cooking human bodies.", ">\n\nMost humans won’t be fit for consumption. People who die are usually on medications which could harm the animal. Americans in particular also have high sodium levels. You could use healthy accident victims but those are usually involved in an investigation too long to be unusable.", ">\n\nSo American humans are like Lay's Salt and Vinegar. Cool!", ">\n\nI guess morals first, but the bigger issue: \nMedication and drugs. Food is quality controlled to an extent and it would require a drug panel for human remains since OTC medications and recreational drugs wouldn't be listed on your charts. \nThen there's disease. For example: Animals with cancer cannot be sold or used for food consumption according to federal rules.\nThen the expense of refrigeration, transport, and butchering. At this point we'd only be good for scavenger animals that have the immune and digestive systems to eat partially decomposed meat. \nAs for anyone saying the animals would get a taste for human meat is incorrect. Meat is meat. Dogs who live on slaughter farms eats fresh kill all the time and don't attack the livestock. Sometimes farmers toss testicles to the dogs after livestock castration. I don't see dogs chasing bull or horse testicles. Now, if we threw live humans to be hunted and killed by prey animals then we might have a situation.", ">\n\nApart from the cows and chickens pumped full of antibiotics?", ">\n\nSome cultures do feed us to the animals. Read up on sky burials or if you feel upto it, view on YouTube.", ">\n\nIt’s like with chickens. You don’t feed them with the eggs because they get addicted and eat all of their eggs", ">\n\nThat's only partly true though. Hens use a lot of calcium up in making the egg shell. You can crush the shell and offer it back to them to supplement thier diets. \nNot crushing it can lead to them breaking thier own eggs if they are truly deficient though.", ">\n\n\nThe moral/emotional reason due to our empathizing with our fellow man.\nTransport and storage, how are you getting/preserving a body from where it died to where it is getting eaten. How do you prevent zoos in urban cities from being flush so much of this 'food' that 90% of it is still 'wasted' because it rots before it can get to a hungry animal. We solve this 'problem' with animal meat by butchering the animal when convenient or having an immediate planned preservation strategy. Humans don't have a pre-death body preservation scheme set up usually.\nAnimals that die of natural causes tend to have something 'wrong' with them. Disease, poor diets, just old and not as succulent meat, etc. Your 'quality' for this food is going to be all over the place because once again the animal isn't being killed when it is convenient for the value of their meat.\nPulling from 3, this variety in diet is not conducive to the health of the animal, like a lion itself. If you have a cat / dog would you feed them random mystery packets of food just because they were free (and usually healthy for them), or would you pay a little bit of money for peace of mind on knowing they're consistently eating something you know is good/agrees with them. Unless you're in a super austerity environment, you're going to be fine spending a bit more for that consistency of food quality.", ">\n\nThe difference is the emotional connection we have to certain pieces of meat. Funeral services with burying and cremation are mainly for the living, not the dead", ">\n\nSo apex predators, once they taste human flesh, develop a taste for it (with the exception of sharks). As someone else said, it would create a risk for the zookeepers and other humans. This is why large predators like the big cats have to be put down once they kill a human. It isn't a sort of 'death penalty' because it killed someone - it's because once they kill, there's no going back.", ">\n\nWhat about just throwing us in the ocean for sharks to eat instead?", ">\n\nI’d donate my body. Some people might not be healthy enough to be food.", ">\n\nEating meat eating animals has a higher risk of disease and parasites. It is also not as tasty due to generally having a higher amount of muscle in meat eating creatures.\nBut mostly morals.", ">\n\nSo we can feed them the vegans? That gets around both the taste and moral issues.", ">\n\nHow does it get around the moral issues? The zoo employees would still have to handle human remains. Despite what some people think, vegans are humans.", ">\n\nThat was clearly a joke so I don't know what you're on about.", ">\n\nThat feels like it's kind of disrespectful to the dead\nI mean, let's imagine there's an afterlife of some sort. After you die, would you really be comfortable with the idea that your body is being eaten by a lion?\nA practice I could get behind though, which I admit on the surface sounds kind of similar, is to bury the dead without a coffin and plant a tree over the grave site. That way your friends and family can visit a living thing to remember you by instead of just having a depressing, lifeless rock with your name on it. And not only that, but some part of you would be part of that tree", ">\n\nWhat a slippery slope of logic. Well why don't we just eat our dead then? What's the difference between a human hamburger and a hamburger?\nI also just realized that hamburger doesn't have any ham it..", ">\n\nIf you want to be eco friendly you do a tree pod burial,. At least that wsy you may end up benefiting animals indirectly.", ">\n\nMorals is the main reason. However biologically it is better to feed a carnivore herbivores. All energy on earth starts from the sun. Plants use the sun to make energy. Herbivores eat the plants and get about 10% of the energy in the plant. A predator then eats that herbivore and gets about 10% from the herbivore. So the predator gets about 1% of the energy that was in the original plant. If a bigger predator eats this predator then the bigger predator gets 10% of the smaller predator's energy or 0.1% of the energy that was in the plant. See the problem? \nUnless you fed the humans on a strict plant diet it wouldn't be as effective energy wise as a cow.", ">\n\nSo......we should feed vegans to lions?", ">\n\nNow you're cooking with gas", ">\n\nActually, I think I'm cooking with Vegans.", ">\n\nWell they do eat a lot of beans.", ">\n\nMorals, and the public relations aspect. Detractors would be holding up signs saying talking about the animals now being used to the taste of humans etc. (no matter how stupid the arguments are)", ">\n\nDeer are even smaller than humans, but predators happily eat them. I don't understand your logic. We are not even discussing the predator chasing down a human, but just having one unceremoniously dumped in their feed bowl.", ">\n\nIt does pose the problem of human biomass. What are we going to do with 8 billion bodies in a circular economy?", ">\n\nSoylent?", ">\n\nIt’s just the thought of it for most people. My dad was just yesterday telling me something he learned. There’s a cemetery in our city, and someone bought a large plot there, then donated it to the city. It’s basically a large underground hole, with a shoot up to the top, and it’s just big enough to fit cremains in. It’s for anyone who has remains that they don’t want to keep; but it’s illegal to dispose of or disperse. So you can bring ashes to the cemetery and send them down the shoot. Dad said he’s fine with that when his time comes. No need to pay for anything fancier. Mom wants her body donated to science.", ">\n\nThe cow was specifically bred and slaughtered to provide meat. Its ancestry has been controlled to optimize the amount of meat it carries. Every bit of its life has been manipulated and regulated to ensure that meat is safe for consumption. Even its death occurred in a manner lending itself to the harvest and preservation of the corpse.\nYou don't get any of those guarantees with people. Diets, living conditions, and general health vary widely. When it comes to the well being of a rare, often endangered animal like those found in zoos, you'd have to be insane to feed it something of suspect origin.", ">\n\nWho’d want to butcher dead people? And then there’s “I want more, what is this meat? It’s you!”", ">\n\nMorals and the fact that we are not natural prey of lions. I don’t think we’d taste any good with what we eat. Vultures however eat any meat substance. But I wouldn’t want to be eaten by wild animals", ">\n\nThere was an old Cowboy movie where the lead shot a guy and someone asked him “should we bury him?” The lead cowboy replied, “Birds gotta eat, same as the worms.”", ">\n\nI read somewhere that human meat is a different type of meat which is considered to be high class. Once you feed them meat (let's say tiger) they would be attached to it and would possibly reject other low grade meat in the future. It would be a problem if we had a shortage of deceased", ">\n\nTraining animals to eat human flesh is really not a good idea", ">\n\n“The love of my life died in a car accident. Sure would be rad to see her dead body fed to a pack of hyenas.”", ">\n\nIgnoring morality it’s unwise to give apex predators a taste of human meat because it puts there human care takers at a much higher risk", ">\n\nWhy would we feed zoo animals things outside their natural diet?", ">\n\nHumans aren’t very nutritious compared to something that’s 200lbs of muscle and has organs bigger than your head", ">\n\nKeeping dead Humans around is a huge disease risk. Why are so many shower thoughts complete idiocy?", ">\n\nExactly, morals are one of the strongest forces stopping humans from doing things ;)", ">\n\nIs this a serious question? Maybe you want to stop thinking in the shower. \nWhy don't we give our dead people to the homeless to eat? Is it just morals?", ">\n\nBad trainings…..you don’t want any animals getting used to eating humans", ">\n\nBurying is feeding little bugs and eventually plants. No reason to specifically feed large animals. I don’t think you want lions at the zoo thinking people are a typical food source.", ">\n\nAbove all else, even beyond wether it's healthy or not for the animals, if it'll be safe later on (many people in this comments seem fixated with the idea that if a Lion eats one dead human he'll likely eat his keepers after -I don't know if this is true, nor do I care really), or even the morals of it, it's just not very practical. I'm sure if you really want to do it you can find a zookeeper who's a weirdo and who'll be willing to feed you to their lions, but it's just not practical. You know how many people day every day? And how many lions are in your area, because in my area there are like... I don't know, maybe 7 lions and tigers in a park that's 100km away from where I live (and beyond that, I think you have to travel 400km to get to the closest zoo with a lion in it).", ">\n\nI have always wanted to donate my body to movie special effects teams so that my family in the future can remember me as the \"body in the car rolling down the side of a cliff and on fire\" in Fast&Furious 17.", ">\n\nHumans are gross. Dead ones were sick or very old or in accidents. \nMuch better to feed fresh/healthy food.", ">\n\nBesides the sentiment, human meat is likely incredibly unhealthy. As an apex predator who eats other apex predators, processed and industrial byproducts, etc while being long lived --- we have an incredible amount of aggregate \"stuff\" in our fat and muscle, be it mercury, plastic, PFOAs, other heavy metals, etc. Similar to how we're told not to eat Shark and such---but worse. Then add in end of life medication loads, many of which distribute across your fat stores for long periods of time. Bisphosphonates that people take for osteoporosis are in our bone for a decade.", ">\n\nHuman meat is dehydrating. The meat would hurt the lion if it ate the human meat.", ">\n\nI don´t think a lions body would apreciate how contaminated we filthy humans are. There´s a reason why we control what animals that are meant to be eaten get for food.", ">\n\nBecause the zoos wouldn't be able to accommodate the influx of mourners to see off their dearly departed as they are fed to the wild cats.", ">\n\nIt's just morality. For practical purposes, it would be much more effective", ">\n\nWhy wait until they die if some would serve no better purpose still alive? About time we start making spam out of those. You don't fit that shape into a correct hole - you're canned into one yourself. Eight billion people, and a perfectly healthy strive for bettering oneself. It's only natural, you like meat don't you?", ">\n\n“Just morals” lol\nBut seriously, there was this old , probable myth, that if an animal tasted human flesh it would hunger for more. I guess that’s one. But it’s probably mostly projecting our fear of being prey?", ">\n\nI don't think most people like the idea of grandma being torn limb from limb and devoured by lions.", ">\n\nI actually thought to myself a couple of weeks back that if I ever died I would love to be used as feed for wild animals \nUnfortunately I think us humans are so used to our Anthropocentrism that even ideas like these can seem wild, but part of me thinks this is also evolutionarily since you know it is natural animal instinct to not want to see your species be consumed off by your predators. People forget a lot of morals are also a byproduct of our natural drives.", ">\n\nWe're better in the ground. There's not much meat on us compared to creatures bred for food and that which we do have isn't in that pleasant of a state.", ">\n\nSky burials basically. Not a common practice. Place deceased on mountain top or elevated surface, let birds of prey and scavengers feast on the remains.", ">\n\nYes... Teach more dangerous animals to crave human meat.. don't worry little Timmy. Grandma was dead before the lions ripped into her.", ">\n\nPeople want the remains in some sort. Hence urnes.. if you feed animals with the remains, there is nothing but animal shit to put in the urnes..", ">\n\nGeorge Carlin said we should plow all the dead bodies outta the ground and use that phosphorous for farming. \"Hey, if we're serious about recycling, LETS GET SERIOUS!!!\"", ">\n\nMainly, it's the morality. Imagine parents losing a child and feeding the body to an animal. There is no dignity in that, and imo, if you can't see that, you probably are a psycho. Respect for the dead and love ( as in the urge to provide and protect them) for children is beyond cultural and religious norms, it's just human instinct. \nAlso, i would not like every molecule in my body to have to go through an animal's intestine and be pushed out as shit. I'd rather be ashes.", ">\n\nPlease exhume your grandma's corpse and feed it to a pack of stray dogs, you'll see why it's not a good idea.", ">\n\nWasn't there something about us having too much body fat for lions to eat without vomiting?", ">\n\n.... Do you want to hear your mum was fed to a pack of wolves/crocodiles/tigers?\nProbs not bro.", ">\n\nI wouldn't mind being chucked into the wilderness somewhere so I could at least be useful for animals plants and insects.", ">\n\nHell I think they should be shot out of a cannon like someone at the circus. 3-2-1 boom! There he goes god love em!", ">\n\nI've always been of the opinion that I give no shits what happens to me once I'm dead provided someone has the decency to double-tap me just to be sure before they do something heinous to the body.", ">\n\nOnce they get a taste of human flesh, they’ll start killing the zookeepers and guests.", ">\n\nNever let wild animals or animals that are wild but kept in an enclosed environment realize humans are food. \nThere’s a reason humans can go into the woods and rarely be attacked by animals. They don’t associate us with food and if you are attacked it’s more likely a territory thing (as you theoretically are competing for the same territory). \nOnce they figure out we’re food; they’ll literally go find us.", ">\n\nThe real reason is bc humans are full of medications and shit.. don’t want the animals getting sick", ">\n\nFor some people it's religious and others just am easier way to say goodbye for the survivors. Neither works very well being ripped apart. Classroom visits to the zoo could get pretty rough following your plan too.", ">\n\nIt's because it teaches the animals we are not a threat that's why the general policy for most animals that attack humans is to have them put down", ">\n\nThis would go over pretty badly if your 7 year old were to witness a lion eating a dead body at the zoo. And if it wasn't for kids love of animals, zoo's would go broke.", ">\n\nNo sentimental objection. But I feel organ donation should get first dibs.", ">\n\nIf you care about what the animals you eat are fed, don't even start with humans. Our meat must be tainted as hell.", ">\n\nbecause most people don't want to give their loved one's bodies away in such a disrespectful and horrific way.", ">\n\nWell, think about it like this. We feed beef and chicken to zoo animals such as lions, leopards, wolves, etc. Imagine if we also fed human meat to these zoo animals. That would kind of be like saying \"our human remains are no more valuable than chicken and beef\".\nSo yes, it is the morals. It's a statement about the value of our lives. That our lives and our history are more important that chicken and beef.", ">\n\nFrom what I was told it's so animals don't learn to eat people. Most animals will only eat things they see their parents or pack/pride mates eat.", ">\n\nSo you see no problem with giving predators a taste for people?", ">\n\nReligions and customs, not morals. There's nothing inherently immoral about using the dead as a food source, and not even necessarily to feed animals alone. It's been done by humans in times of famine or for religious reasons (some tribes cannibalize their dead), the taboo is strictly social, most people would simply find it distasteful.", ">\n\n\" respect for the dead \" .... foreign concept to the modern slave\nbut believe it or not, some people don't like to see what remains of the people they love being further abused, expecially if robbed of by life's circumstances", ">\n\nIf we fed them human's (lions and tigers in the zoo), they'd soon be dying from poor diet as we're all full of high fructose corn syrup, some full of steroids. Some would break their teeth on our knee or hip replacements and at least half the adult population suffers from mad cows disease one a month... oops did I say that out aloud?!", ">\n\nCan get the bodies to the customers in a reasonable amount of time without them decaying. Plus people don’t like the idea of their loved ones getting eaten.", ">\n\nIn Zoroastrianism (a type of religion), they actually do feed their dead to animals (scavengers, to be precise). Their dead are left in this place called a Tower of Silence (their version of a graveyard) so that vultures can feed on them.", ">\n\nThis question surely was concocted by a psychopath...as a fellow human, I hope when you pass over that someone loved you very much and wants to treat your remains with dignity and respect and not offer your corpse up as tiger food. \nIt's about honouring the life of the person and giving people the right to say goodbye with respect. Funerary rites are as old as we are...even older. Neanderthals also buried their dead. We are conscious of our circumstances and the cycle of life. We honour the memories of our deceased.", ">\n\nThis question surely was concocted by a psychopath...as a fellow human, I hope when you pass over that someone loved you very much and wants to treat your remains with dignity and respect and not offer your corpse up as tiger food. \nIt's about honouring the life of the person and giving people the right to say goodbye with respect. Funerary rites are as old as we are...even older. Neanderthals also buried their dead. We are conscious of our circumstances and the cycle of life. We honour the memories of our deceased." ]

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[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626)." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism." ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn" ]

[ "My parents were Holocaust survivors. I have an image in my head of my grandparents sitting at their kitchen table in Paris in the 1930’s discussing the events in Germany, and the growing issues in France. “Are we overreacting? It’s not that bad. It can’t get much worse, can it?”\nI’ve been feeling myself sitting at that table for a few years now.", ">\n\nAnd if its not rightwing fascists, its the leftwing ones, harrassing Jewish students on college campuses and running over Jews in NYC, while proclaiming \"iSrAeL gEnOcIdE\" and other slander", ">\n\nAh yes, the famously antisemitic left 🤡", ">\n\nThis is only the case if you think Jews = zionists, which is in and of itself an antisemitic view.", ">\n\nBut that’s what they’re taking about, young leftists equating all jews with zionists or \nUsing Jew as a shorthand term to critique Israel and Israelis.\nSee it all the time online.", ">\n\nThat’s not what the articles they linked are talking about.", ">\n\nThat is what the Wall Street Journal article is about: attacking Jewish students because of Israel", ">\n\nIf the person in question is actually a Zionist they’re not getting attacked because they’re Jewish. They’re just conflating the two things and crying antisemitism. These articles both conflate the two. They say the person being harassed is “someone who supports Israel”. This means they are not just being harassed because they are Jewish.", ">\n\nIt's bad now but it's only going to get worst. Once you have convinced people there is a secret cabal of elites who drink children's blood, and wants to destroy the family you have already won. They are not going to stop bieiving this when they are told that this secret cabal are the jews.", ">\n\nQanon looks more and more like a modern protocols. It's all batshit to normal people, but the crazies have a significant amount of power at the moment.", ">\n\nQAnon has always just been blood libel in disguise. Not even a very good disguise, either.", ">\n\nIt's crazy because the first couple \"Q drops\" as they call them seem pretty obviously to be satire that's making fun of Trump's die hard supporters who were at the time already believing all kinds of conspiratorial nonsense about Trump and Hillary. Since it was co-opted after being taken seriously, I've always had the impression that the QAnan bubble has been about getting a critical mass of people to support overthrowing their own country.", ">\n\nIt's like Coke, they tried to convert everyone to new New Fascist, but it didn't have the same appeal. Then there were those that liked the ideals, but not the blatant fascism, so they tended to go more for Diet Fascism or Fascist light. It's almost reassuring that we're going back to Classic Fascist, to be honest. It was the original, and it's right out there in the open that it's horrible for you. Then of course there's the people who want the fascism, but don't want to be called fascist, so they lean more towards fascism Zero.", ">\n\nIt all rots your teeth, but I view Murdochs dumping of trump to be this precise reason: America (and the multi-national elites who run it ) has always favored subliminal fascism to overt fascism. When the pitch of the dog whistles gets too low, the game gets too risky.", ">\n\nMurdoch didn't support trump in the 2016 primary either. If/when trump wins the 2024 primary Fox will be right back to fluffing him 24/7.", ">\n\nThis tracks.", ">\n\nThe internet is what has made all this possible...thirty years ago, fascists, anti-semites, white supremecists etc. were on the fringes of society...they existed, but you had to look hard to find them.\nToday, their views are as accessible & widespread as any other marginalized population, thanks to the World Wide Web.", ">\n\nThey always existed. It just allowed them to find each other easier. And being able to be anonymous has helped. Best thing IMO just like campaign finance refoms that should never have been struck down is making sure people know who comment on what. Sunshine is always the best way to stop this type of bullshit.", ">\n\nWell that's a \"no shit\" headline if I've ever seen one.", ">\n\nSeriously, this is my shocked face.", ">\n\nOh, so like, classically fascist views.\nHere I was hoping this was going to be some kind of neo-fascist versus classical fascist orthodoxy battle.", ">\n\nThe article is leaving out the biggest factor leading to having fascist views: how conservative the respondent is.\nBoth sides are not the same.", ">\n\n4000 people were surveyed and there seems to only be political data on 1000. They should be able to tell you how these respondents responded though.\n\nIndeed, careful attention was paid to ensure the probability sample included a broad swath of respondents from a range of socio-economic, political and ethno-racial backgrounds. This is a weighted, representative sample of Americans generally, and of the sub-populations that researchers oversampled: those between the ages of 18 and 30 (1,292 respondents), those on the political Right (420) and political Left (663), Black Americans (578) and Hispanic Americans (626).", ">\n\nThis sickness needs addressed.", ">\n\nThe article specifically highlights anti-Israel sentiment as antisemitism.\nAnd furthermore it mentions how young people (who tend to be more left leaning) are less likely to view Israel favorably.\nI see people in here drawing conclusions about conservatives, which is expected (this is Reddit after all) but no whisper about the actual methodology or arguments of the report.", ">\n\nThere is a lot of far right antisemitism related to Israel. There is also a lot of far left antisemitism related to Israel. But you are right, there is more data here than they are revealing. They identified 1000/4000 respondents as either right wing or left wing without breaking down how each group responded.", ">\n\nFor the last time antisemitism is directed bigotry towards the Jewish people. It is not antisemitic to oppose the actions of Israel, the country.", ">\n\n“Israel did ____” wrong and I don’t like it’s political leaders or decisions - not antisemitism \n“Israel should be destroyed” -antisemitic \nThere’s a difference", ">\n\nI am not disagreeing at all.", ">\n\nA lot of times somebody will say something like “the Zionist bankers have too much power and control the news and American elections and shoot Palestinian babies” \nAnd then throw their hands in the air when accused of antisemitism. Most Jews in Israel are seriously upset about the new government, it’s a terrible change of administration.", ">\n\nAnd your example is 100% antisemitism.", ">\n\nA redditor who understands nuance? I’ve found myself a unicorn", ">\n\nExistence is full of nuance and not absolutes. I have nothing against the Jewish people in particular. I also think Israel is on track to become that which it most despises. I don’t hate Christians in particular either, however, I believe their religion has led to many of the world’s problems and continues to contribute more evil than good into the world. I really don’t hate anyone, and yet I hate everyone more and more by the day. If that isn’t nuance, I am not sure what is." ]