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[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him", ">\n\nSuperman is not boring, quite the opposite. He's not vanilla, he's the exception. Any bring as powerful as he is would just lose track of their humanity. They would either go psychotic and view themselves as a God that needs to be worshipped (homelander) or they would just stop asociating with the concept of being a human altogether (Dr Manhattan).\nSuperman is a case study in what would happen if a God stayed humble, stayed human just by sheer will. What if an omnipotent being would willingly choose to subdue themselves to the needs of the insignificant, just for their gain. The Jesus parallel is not lost on this, and although an echo of the biblical tale it still manages to have a similar mode of capturing the imagination and inspiring generations." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him", ">\n\nSuperman is not boring, quite the opposite. He's not vanilla, he's the exception. Any bring as powerful as he is would just lose track of their humanity. They would either go psychotic and view themselves as a God that needs to be worshipped (homelander) or they would just stop asociating with the concept of being a human altogether (Dr Manhattan).\nSuperman is a case study in what would happen if a God stayed humble, stayed human just by sheer will. What if an omnipotent being would willingly choose to subdue themselves to the needs of the insignificant, just for their gain. The Jesus parallel is not lost on this, and although an echo of the biblical tale it still manages to have a similar mode of capturing the imagination and inspiring generations.", ">\n\nCongrats you have a fairly unpopular opinion. \nClearly you are wrong too as superman is the most iconic hero for some reason. \nThe boys, invincible, my hero, freaking sky high, they all have a central character based off of superman, not batman or wonder woman or Spiderman." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him", ">\n\nSuperman is not boring, quite the opposite. He's not vanilla, he's the exception. Any bring as powerful as he is would just lose track of their humanity. They would either go psychotic and view themselves as a God that needs to be worshipped (homelander) or they would just stop asociating with the concept of being a human altogether (Dr Manhattan).\nSuperman is a case study in what would happen if a God stayed humble, stayed human just by sheer will. What if an omnipotent being would willingly choose to subdue themselves to the needs of the insignificant, just for their gain. The Jesus parallel is not lost on this, and although an echo of the biblical tale it still manages to have a similar mode of capturing the imagination and inspiring generations.", ">\n\nCongrats you have a fairly unpopular opinion. \nClearly you are wrong too as superman is the most iconic hero for some reason. \nThe boys, invincible, my hero, freaking sky high, they all have a central character based off of superman, not batman or wonder woman or Spiderman.", ">\n\nNot unpopular. I’ve always thought super man was boring. But if you think about it, Superman and Iron Man are very similar in their abilities. I wonder if that’s just a coincidence.." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him", ">\n\nSuperman is not boring, quite the opposite. He's not vanilla, he's the exception. Any bring as powerful as he is would just lose track of their humanity. They would either go psychotic and view themselves as a God that needs to be worshipped (homelander) or they would just stop asociating with the concept of being a human altogether (Dr Manhattan).\nSuperman is a case study in what would happen if a God stayed humble, stayed human just by sheer will. What if an omnipotent being would willingly choose to subdue themselves to the needs of the insignificant, just for their gain. The Jesus parallel is not lost on this, and although an echo of the biblical tale it still manages to have a similar mode of capturing the imagination and inspiring generations.", ">\n\nCongrats you have a fairly unpopular opinion. \nClearly you are wrong too as superman is the most iconic hero for some reason. \nThe boys, invincible, my hero, freaking sky high, they all have a central character based off of superman, not batman or wonder woman or Spiderman.", ">\n\nNot unpopular. I’ve always thought super man was boring. But if you think about it, Superman and Iron Man are very similar in their abilities. I wonder if that’s just a coincidence..", ">\n\nYa people who don't read any superman comics typically have this opinion. Ur just suffering from being uneducated on the subject is all." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us", ">\n\nRight because being an invincible god is boring, but every other trope in comics and action movies that has been played out a hundred trillion times isn’t.", ">\n\nYou sound like you literally know nothing about superman.", ">\n\nPeople express this opinion a lot, actually. It just tells me that they don't read Superman comics, don't actually know anything about Superman, and don't care to know. You know what? That's fine. There are plenty of people like that. Superman doesn't have to be your bag, and you don't have to invest time in his media. That's your prerogative. \nAll that being said, why go around spouting off about characters you clearly know so little about? Like...I don't know anything about programming, but I don't go around spouting about the value, or lack thereof, of Python. Knowing that the character exists, is from Krypton, and that bullets bounce off of him, isn't really the informed podium you might think it is, in much the same way that knowing that cars have four wheels and an engine doesn't make me a mechanic. I'm not saying you need to be an expert on a topic before being allowed to weigh in on it, ...but it'd be nice if you dug a little deeper before deciding the thing you don't know much about isn't good. Or not, whatever.", ">\n\nSeriously agreed.\nA superhero that can't be killed by any means is lame.\nAnd don't even bring up kryptonite because he always has some way to get around the effects whenever somebody uses it against him.", ">\n\nSupes is also vulnerable to magic.\nHe can't see through lead. His heat vision won't melt lead.", ">\n\nAll superheroes are boring. Imagine having godlike powers but being so stupid that the best you can do is beat up bad guys.. or good guys. The issue is that just as superheroes have godlike powers in some form, humans don't - we are feeble and weak. And yet we are much more interesting and are capable of building and destroying civilizations with nothing more than the power of our voices and the minor thoughts in our pitiful minds.", ">\n\nWhat makes Superman interesting is the fact that he’s unbeatable. You should read what ever happened to truth justice and the American way. It’s all about how Superman could easily beat every villain with one hand but he holds back because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Superman is a man with absolute power trying to not let it corrupt him", ">\n\nSuperman is not boring, quite the opposite. He's not vanilla, he's the exception. Any bring as powerful as he is would just lose track of their humanity. They would either go psychotic and view themselves as a God that needs to be worshipped (homelander) or they would just stop asociating with the concept of being a human altogether (Dr Manhattan).\nSuperman is a case study in what would happen if a God stayed humble, stayed human just by sheer will. What if an omnipotent being would willingly choose to subdue themselves to the needs of the insignificant, just for their gain. The Jesus parallel is not lost on this, and although an echo of the biblical tale it still manages to have a similar mode of capturing the imagination and inspiring generations.", ">\n\nCongrats you have a fairly unpopular opinion. \nClearly you are wrong too as superman is the most iconic hero for some reason. \nThe boys, invincible, my hero, freaking sky high, they all have a central character based off of superman, not batman or wonder woman or Spiderman.", ">\n\nNot unpopular. I’ve always thought super man was boring. But if you think about it, Superman and Iron Man are very similar in their abilities. I wonder if that’s just a coincidence..", ">\n\nYa people who don't read any superman comics typically have this opinion. Ur just suffering from being uneducated on the subject is all.", ">\n\nSuperman is the best! The only hero to look up to as a role model. Sorry OP. Downvoting this hot garbage opinion." ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)", ">\n\nMy dad was a programmer so that would have been a bit difficult to help. Like what, am I supposed to do his code reviews for him?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)", ">\n\nMy dad was a programmer so that would have been a bit difficult to help. Like what, am I supposed to do his code reviews for him?", ">\n\nyou can be the coffee-fetcher :P\nand i dunno, if he does anything with visuals, you can always ask the kid if this looks good or if that looks better\nbe like, 'hey, this function needs to output this' and then just have your kid blackbox a simple function that adds 2 numbers or so and then he feels he is helping and he's learning coding" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)", ">\n\nMy dad was a programmer so that would have been a bit difficult to help. Like what, am I supposed to do his code reviews for him?", ">\n\nyou can be the coffee-fetcher :P\nand i dunno, if he does anything with visuals, you can always ask the kid if this looks good or if that looks better\nbe like, 'hey, this function needs to output this' and then just have your kid blackbox a simple function that adds 2 numbers or so and then he feels he is helping and he's learning coding", ">\n\nMost farms are family owned and operated, and don't require commuting or long hours" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)", ">\n\nMy dad was a programmer so that would have been a bit difficult to help. Like what, am I supposed to do his code reviews for him?", ">\n\nyou can be the coffee-fetcher :P\nand i dunno, if he does anything with visuals, you can always ask the kid if this looks good or if that looks better\nbe like, 'hey, this function needs to output this' and then just have your kid blackbox a simple function that adds 2 numbers or so and then he feels he is helping and he's learning coding", ">\n\nMost farms are family owned and operated, and don't require commuting or long hours", ">\n\nI think you are wrong about the long hours." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nTrue; if you work in an office (your own), it is only acceptable to hire your children to fake positions for income-splitting purposes.", ">\n\nThis is tacit acknowledgement that offices are hellholes. A victorian child might get pulled into a copper loom and die, but they wouldn't risk going through two hours of annual review where all participants had to pretend any of it matters.", ">\n\nIt’s socially acceptable to have your children do work for your own business but not socially acceptable to have your children do work that someone else is employing you to do for them.", ">\n\nOr if you own your own business, I helped my mom with her business starting at 12", ">\n\nWhat was that like?", ">\n\nShe was a cabinetry and millwork contractor mostly for airports, when I was 12 I helped move cabinets and ticket gate counters in Boston International airport, it was about 6 hours a night for a week and a half but I made bank and bought an xbox after, most of it went to savings though", ">\n\nand here's me milking cows and feeding calves and whatnot and all i have to show for it at the end of the day is a lack of bruises :P\ngratz on a better childhood than mine :)", ">\n\nMy dad was a programmer so that would have been a bit difficult to help. Like what, am I supposed to do his code reviews for him?", ">\n\nyou can be the coffee-fetcher :P\nand i dunno, if he does anything with visuals, you can always ask the kid if this looks good or if that looks better\nbe like, 'hey, this function needs to output this' and then just have your kid blackbox a simple function that adds 2 numbers or so and then he feels he is helping and he's learning coding", ">\n\nMost farms are family owned and operated, and don't require commuting or long hours", ">\n\nI think you are wrong about the long hours.", ">\n\nCompletely wrong, lol. And never a day off, not even Christmas...unless you pay someone else to do it for you." ]

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[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time." ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time.", ">\n\nReading mindless bullshit toxic books is a lateral move" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time.", ">\n\nReading mindless bullshit toxic books is a lateral move", ">\n\nNot. Even. Close. Books can take years to write, edit, and contemplate. That shitty tik tok video took seconds. Many articles these days aren't even proof read. Just because your spending the same time on an activity, doesn't mean the quality is the same." ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time.", ">\n\nReading mindless bullshit toxic books is a lateral move", ">\n\nNot. Even. Close. Books can take years to write, edit, and contemplate. That shitty tik tok video took seconds. Many articles these days aren't even proof read. Just because your spending the same time on an activity, doesn't mean the quality is the same.", ">\n\nSome books being worked on a long time doesn't mean all books are high quality" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time.", ">\n\nReading mindless bullshit toxic books is a lateral move", ">\n\nNot. Even. Close. Books can take years to write, edit, and contemplate. That shitty tik tok video took seconds. Many articles these days aren't even proof read. Just because your spending the same time on an activity, doesn't mean the quality is the same.", ">\n\nSome books being worked on a long time doesn't mean all books are high quality", ">\n\nno, boomer comics are wrong, they are 95% wrong, yes, the internet can be bad, yes, people can get sucked in and \"waste\" their life, yes, this may have happened to you, but no, this isn't relevant, it's not heroine, it's not crack, even gambling is worse, also this may sound sad but a lot of people don't have much, not in terms of stereotypical fulfillment in life but in terms of what they can propose to make a difference, and if such people waste their life online this isn't worse at all, if used with a bit of cherrypicking the internet and socials can also be a POSITIVE thing, you can enrich your culture or groom your habits and opinions with it ... infact i LMFAO when you said \"disciplined\" or \"focused\"... big flex!! now go win a nobel prize :D" ]

[ "Your \"unpopular opinion\" is that too much internet is bad for you?\nWhat else do you think is unpopular? Too much sugar is bad?", ">\n\nRead the post again", ">\n\nBoomers also have a lot to say about taking responsibility for one’s own life. 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nHow does it feel to insult and sell out your own family members for a bit of fake internet points?", ">\n\nThinking the same thing!", ">\n\nMost people agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they also know times change and whining about how things used to be is kind of a waste of time.", ">\n\nReading mindless bullshit toxic books is a lateral move", ">\n\nNot. Even. Close. Books can take years to write, edit, and contemplate. That shitty tik tok video took seconds. Many articles these days aren't even proof read. Just because your spending the same time on an activity, doesn't mean the quality is the same.", ">\n\nSome books being worked on a long time doesn't mean all books are high quality", ">\n\nno, boomer comics are wrong, they are 95% wrong, yes, the internet can be bad, yes, people can get sucked in and \"waste\" their life, yes, this may have happened to you, but no, this isn't relevant, it's not heroine, it's not crack, even gambling is worse, also this may sound sad but a lot of people don't have much, not in terms of stereotypical fulfillment in life but in terms of what they can propose to make a difference, and if such people waste their life online this isn't worse at all, if used with a bit of cherrypicking the internet and socials can also be a POSITIVE thing, you can enrich your culture or groom your habits and opinions with it ... infact i LMFAO when you said \"disciplined\" or \"focused\"... big flex!! now go win a nobel prize :D", ">\n\nSo if I use my phone to read books then that cancels out the bad, right?\nPhones can do more than one thing. When I see a guy on a phone sitting next to a guy reading a book, I don't suddenly think to myself: \"that guy on the phone is wasting his life.\"\nThey should focus on the sites that people waste their time on like tiktok, instagram and the like. Not the device entirely. \nBut of course its boomer humor.\nAlso, as one guy said, that sounds like a you problem." ]

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[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though.", ">\n\nThere's basically no grey on that old dog at all, that's pretty strange, isn't it?" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though.", ">\n\nThere's basically no grey on that old dog at all, that's pretty strange, isn't it?", ">\n\nYep, as soon as I saw the article I thought BS. I have a lab who is 16 and has cloudy eyes and a grey muzzle. She is in good health but that doesn't stop the signs of aging. This dog has a silky coat, clear bright eyes and a perfectly chestnut coloured fur. That is not a 30 year old dog. The only validation they have is vet records, I could literally sign my dog up to a vet and tell them she's 20. They wouldn't know any difference, as they can't magically determine the exact age of a dog. \nMy final point is how strange the news has come out after that little chihuahua broke the record a few months ago. One thing to know about dogs is the smaller they are, the longer they tend to live. I can see a chihuahua living to 25 but this larger dog that looks like a healthy (albeit overweight) young dog. It's bonkers no more people find it suspect." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though.", ">\n\nThere's basically no grey on that old dog at all, that's pretty strange, isn't it?", ">\n\nYep, as soon as I saw the article I thought BS. I have a lab who is 16 and has cloudy eyes and a grey muzzle. She is in good health but that doesn't stop the signs of aging. This dog has a silky coat, clear bright eyes and a perfectly chestnut coloured fur. That is not a 30 year old dog. The only validation they have is vet records, I could literally sign my dog up to a vet and tell them she's 20. They wouldn't know any difference, as they can't magically determine the exact age of a dog. \nMy final point is how strange the news has come out after that little chihuahua broke the record a few months ago. One thing to know about dogs is the smaller they are, the longer they tend to live. I can see a chihuahua living to 25 but this larger dog that looks like a healthy (albeit overweight) young dog. It's bonkers no more people find it suspect.", ">\n\nI love old dogs. They know you better than anyone or anything. More power to Bobi and his family." ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though.", ">\n\nThere's basically no grey on that old dog at all, that's pretty strange, isn't it?", ">\n\nYep, as soon as I saw the article I thought BS. I have a lab who is 16 and has cloudy eyes and a grey muzzle. She is in good health but that doesn't stop the signs of aging. This dog has a silky coat, clear bright eyes and a perfectly chestnut coloured fur. That is not a 30 year old dog. The only validation they have is vet records, I could literally sign my dog up to a vet and tell them she's 20. They wouldn't know any difference, as they can't magically determine the exact age of a dog. \nMy final point is how strange the news has come out after that little chihuahua broke the record a few months ago. One thing to know about dogs is the smaller they are, the longer they tend to live. I can see a chihuahua living to 25 but this larger dog that looks like a healthy (albeit overweight) young dog. It's bonkers no more people find it suspect.", ">\n\nI love old dogs. They know you better than anyone or anything. More power to Bobi and his family.", ">\n\nBobi’s tips on longevity, making sure there are a lot of dogs that look like Bobi" ]

[ "My dog's 19 and we think he's at about his limit. 30 is just incredible! Hope he's comfortable and happy.", ">\n\nMy dogs made it to 18 and 19. But damn. 30!!!!!that’s over 200 years old.", ">\n\nMy 80lb dog is 14.5 years old and poops in the house sometimes. He doesn’t even realize that it happens. Sleeps on our bed and sometimes we wake up to nuggets. He make not make it to 15.", ">\n\nKeep him until his natural life is over. Do not put him down. Just like humans its okay to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment.", ">\n\nMy stepfather died 2 weeks ago. I do not think it was \"okay [for him] to live with discomfort as long as he/she is loved and in a comfortable environment\". The whole thing was just inhumane. I support medical death assistance for both animals and humans.", ">\n\nI respect your opinion but i simply disagree. Are you sure if asked your step dad \"should we kill you now? .... that he would say yes?", ">\n\nYes. He told us he wanted to die, laid in his bed for days and stopped eating in the hopes of death. He just wanted to get it over with. He even asked my mom to inject him with morphine despite not being in pain because he thought that might speed things up. He wasn't scared of death anymore. I asked him.", ">\n\nWhy ask for death if not in pain?", ">\n\nHe was very sick and weak and didn't deem his quality of life worth it anymore.", ">\n\nWell I'm glad he passed on peacefully. My condolences.", ">\n\nWhat do they feed him? I just want to feed my dogs whatever they feed this one.", ">\n\nHis long lifespan is like 80% genetics and 20% diet/pet care/environment.", ">\n\nI wonder if being a herding dog has something to do with it. Maybe not the breed but a more active and stimulating lifestyle. The previous record holder was one also.", ">\n\nMy cattle dog was 19 when he died. And tough as fuck until the end. Bluey definitely lived an ideal life for a cattle dog.\nI’m not sure this dog is actually 30 but I am sure living a more natural, free life keeps a dog young.", ">\n\nSee picture in thumbnail. Click link. Link does not contain picture. Follow another link to twitter. Finally, a picture. \nwish people would just post the god damned picture instead", ">\n\nI'm calling bs. That is not a 30 year old dog", ">\n\nI'm not disputing the fact that he's old. I'm calling the claims that he's 30 years old bullshit.", ">\n\nI think you are right. That dog has no grey anywhere. It starts on dogs as young as 5, and this guy is 30 with nothin", ">\n\nCould be related. A dog making it to 30 probably has some kind of genetic abnormality that is allowing that to happen. \nNot saying I 100% believe it either but the \"no grey\" may not actually be an issue.", ">\n\n\n30-year-old\n\nTime for Bobi to open a reddit account", ">\n\nThis was the age I created my account - or thereabout.", ">\n\nNice. I was in my late twenties (31 now). Our inner-redditor awakens at this age range, it seems.", ">\n\nMust be waiting for Odysseus to return home.", ">\n\nMy best friend/soul mate was named Argos because of this simple, short part in the Odyssey. It had always stuck out to me. He was the most loyal friend/companion ever.", ">\n\nOmg all my love to Bobi", ">\n\nI bet Bobi is so fucking disappointed in all of us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi can't even hear or see us.", ">\n\nI bet Bobi still loves tummy rubs thou", ">\n\nMFW I am the same age as world's oldest dog", ">\n\nWorld's oldest dog is a few months older than me thats wild", ">\n\nThis is a newly found old dog. I remember reading that Spike was the oldest living dog at 23. I knew there was older dogs than that.", ">\n\nPoor pupper gotta be tired. Wonder when Bobi started slowing down", ">\n\nFrom what I can tell in the video he seems to be happy and getting around pretty well, especially given the advanced age. Good for him.", ">\n\nThat’s awesome. 30yrs tho dog gotta be sleeping 18 hrs a day easy lol.", ">\n\nYeah he gets his sleep I'm sure. He probably has the worst old dog farts", ">\n\nYall it’s not the same dog.\nold photo\nrecent photo", ">\n\nOMG THANK YOU!! I saw that video and thought no fucking way that is the same dog. That dog moves and looks like it's 12-13 at worst. I can't believe people are falling for this. No pictures with the owners as children or very young with the dog, no pictures from the 00s.... this is so bullshit.", ">\n\nYeah theres ZERO chance the dog in the video is 30", ">\n\nDamn this dog is two years younger than me.", ">\n\nI predate every dog on the planet.", ">\n\nSick fuck", ">\n\nHow do they know how old the dog is? Did they count the rings?", ">\n\nAs a vet, sometimes when new clients come in for an exam and had adopted their dog previously from a shelter they’ll ask, “how old do you think he is?”. Cos the shelters usually say 1-3 years even though they don’t know. EVERY time I reply with, “well short of cutting him in half and counting the rings, I can only estimate…” And every time, nothing. I think it’s hilarious and will continue to tell that joke until I retire.", ">\n\nTo be fair I recently took in a starving cat off the street so small we thought she was closer to being a kitten, vet estimated her age at 3 to 4 which surprised me but when I tracked down the original owner turned out she was 3 and a half so pretty spot on estimate. He said that dental health was the biggest indicator", ">\n\nI took in a cat that they said looked 3 initially. A year later he had to have 7 teeth removed because his dental health was so bad. So yeah, no clue how old he is.", ">\n\nK so tell me there is a dog who is 30 years old WITHOUT TELLING ME HOW!?! GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS!!", ">\n\nIt said in the article: active lifestyle, lots of time outside in nature, low exposure to bad stress situations like city noise, lots of time with its people, diet with plenty of fresh food. Bluey was the same way and lived to a little over 29. Seems like common sense but the vast majority of kept dogs don’t get to have that kind of life.", ">\n\nThree of my neighbors own Siberian Huskies. Seems like they are a popular breed because they are beautiful and one of the breeds that most resemble wolves.\nOnly one of them takes them out for exercise properly every day. The other two just keep them indoors unless they need to go outside to pee and poop.\nThe one that gets exercise is well adjusted and looks healthy. It's even friendly and calm when I've interacted with it. The other two however, they are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly. I doubt these two will live longer than the one that is actually being taken care of properly. \nNot a dog owner myself, but it seems like taking actual good and proper care of dogs contributes to a longer lifespan.", ">\n\n\nthey are constantly howling/barking, every few weeks or so they escape, and the few times that I've come into contact with them they behaved poorly.\n\nYou've just described the Husky breed.", ">\n\nPretty much. They weren't bred to spend their lives inside an apartment.", ">\n\nWe have a Pomeranian that is 23 years old. He used to be my grandmas breeding male. And she would only ever feed him food she cooked. So we joke that the secret to a long life is unlimited sex and home cooked meals xD", ">\n\nI support this, as long as he does the cooking xD", ">\n\nTIL I’m older than every dog in the world", ">\n\nSo. Look. I’m just saying I scrolled through the family’s photos of him and in the one from the 90s he has a white front foot that appears to be brown now. So. I’m not saying it’s NOT the same dog. But.\nThe other dog has a white foot.\nnot saying it’s suspicious or anything", ">\n\nDog's fur can change over time. I had a dog that was only 12 and his fur pattern was a fair bit different than when he was 2.", ">\n\nI've never seen a dog lose a completely white foot though.", ">\n\nThere's basically no grey on that old dog at all, that's pretty strange, isn't it?", ">\n\nYep, as soon as I saw the article I thought BS. I have a lab who is 16 and has cloudy eyes and a grey muzzle. She is in good health but that doesn't stop the signs of aging. This dog has a silky coat, clear bright eyes and a perfectly chestnut coloured fur. That is not a 30 year old dog. The only validation they have is vet records, I could literally sign my dog up to a vet and tell them she's 20. They wouldn't know any difference, as they can't magically determine the exact age of a dog. \nMy final point is how strange the news has come out after that little chihuahua broke the record a few months ago. One thing to know about dogs is the smaller they are, the longer they tend to live. I can see a chihuahua living to 25 but this larger dog that looks like a healthy (albeit overweight) young dog. It's bonkers no more people find it suspect.", ">\n\nI love old dogs. They know you better than anyone or anything. More power to Bobi and his family.", ">\n\nBobi’s tips on longevity, making sure there are a lot of dogs that look like Bobi", ">\n\nI have a 17 year old pom that seems to be gunning for his title. \nDudes a tank. \nIn all honesty I’ll be shocked if he makes it to 2024, but I have said that every year for the last 3 or 4 years. \nDiagnosed with hip dysplasia like 7 years ago\nCollapsed esophagus 4 years ago\nWent blind 2 years ago. Doesn’t phase him, just bounces around like a Roomba. \nWas attacked by a German Shepherd of ours 3 years ago, was pretty sure when I carried into the ER it was to have him put down after the way he looked when we finally got the GSD to stop shaking him. \nNope full recovery. \nStill gets the zoomed (although typically leads to promptly running into something head first). \nJumps around when we get his food, eats great. \nWatch out Bobi." ]