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[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story..." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?" ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv." ]

[ "You would be surprised by the amount of superman comics that don't foccus on the fighting. Disregarding that you also have to keep in mind that superman level of power is not that big for the universe he lives in. There are characters that match him on a physical level and characters that go into whole new levels of power. Also red sun light and magic are superman weakness.", ">\n\nMagic you say? Pick a card.", ">\n\nI don't read comics thinking the main character is about to die. Batman is as immortal as Superman.", ">\n\nI'm not expecting the main character to die, but I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time. The superman Vs batman movie as an example, how does batman have a chance? Oh yeah kryptonite, fair. 95% of the lex luthor encounters over the years, how does he do it? Kryptonite. Over and over and over again, there's only so many times I'm gonna enjoy the same story re told to me with the same characters and plot devices before I get bored", ">\n\n\nbut I at least expect to have some tension. Superman doesn't have anything to create tension because it's either Lois lane or kryptonite the large majority of the time.\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite. Stop claiming you have read comics when everyone who knows anything about this topic can clearly tell by your lack of knowledge, you have infact NOT read the comics.", ">\n\n\nDude, Superman got his ass kicked by Darkseid in the comics. He also lost to Trigon when using magic, because Superman has a weakness to magic. He also lost to Doomsday, Parasite, Shazam, Atlas, Viking. Enchantress, and many more. And that was all without kryptonite\n\nAs a man that has no connection to both the comics and the all the other things like movies, you sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.", ">\n\n\nyou sound like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to me.\n\nWhy? Because i have read the comics before and i'm correcting someone who is clearly wrong on the topic?", ">\n\nIt was more meant as a joke, not really as an insult. It was because of the list, not just giving a single example or two, but going on. \nAbout the topic, it's okay to correct people, that's not the problem. I'm not OP, but i also have no knowledge of Superman, so don't worry, i'll stay out of the discussion.", ">\n\nNah your good. I thought you was trynna make fun of me or some shit cause i listed off several characters from the comics who have beat Superman. I thought by you calling me \"Comic book guy\" you was trynna imply i'm some fat guy who does nothing but read comics all the time.", ">\n\nLike everyone else who says this, you obviously don't read the comics.\n\nwith only one real weakness \n\nPost-crisis there was Kryptonite, red sun radiation, magic, mental manipulation, power drainage, and oxygen deprivation. Plus a good number of characters that could go toe to toe with him in strength.For a good 20+ years there was only one piece of Kryptonite on Earth and most of the time that was locked up in the Batcave\nOn a more abstract level he has his friends and family and his own struggles with balancing his life as Kent and Superman and dealing wiith his inability to do everything.\n\nthe same four characters\n\nLuthor, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Toyman, Zod, Cerberus, Bizarro, Mxyzptlk, Mongul, Doomsday, Parasite, Intergang, Manchester Black, and many others.", ">\n\n\"inability to do everything\" we're talking about the same guy right? Same one that traveled light years in minutes? Dude literally could do almost everything on earth at the exact same time and not even be noticed by anyone", ">\n\nHe hasn't been even close that fast in at least 40 years. He needs technology to travel long distances in space. And even if he was that fast, he couldn't approach light speed in an atmosphere without killing everyone in his vicinity.\nStop looking at his most ridiculous Golden Age and Silver Age feats as representative of what the character is", ">\n\nEven at the speed of light or short of it, he can still very easily be anywhere on the planet in less than a second. Saying he can't do everything is just blatantly wrong, dude could stop every crime in the awake half of the world in less than an hour", ">\n\nAgain, he's not that fast anymore. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. And he couldn't get to that speed without igniting the atmosphere or something equally destructive", ">\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum. He's achieved speeds plenty of times before that would make it very possible for him to do anything, anytime he wanted with no repercussions, both recently and older. I'm sorry but whatever way you look at it, your argument doesn't work. He's done plenty more insane things not involving speed which should have destroyed the planet or damaged his surroundings in some way but didn't, even if you only look at shockwaves that would be produced. That's ignoring every other factor like heat, energy, or any other kind of destructive force his abilities should produce. A 90 year old god that's been doing the same thing for 90 years just isn't interesting.", ">\n\n\nless than the speed of light isn't even an insane speed feat for superman, it's literally in the single digit percentages of his theoretical maximum\n\nAgain. Not in 40 years or more. That's silver and golden age nonsense. Stop pretending you know anything about him if you haven't read any comics made since the 70s", ">\n\nAlrighty just casually ignore the rest of the comment", ">\n\nEverything you've said is just blatantly wrong. The character has changed a lot", ">\n\n\"He's invulnerable to everything but Kryptonite!\"\nDude straight up got punched to death one time.", ">\n\nHe was the first op character back in the day so for back then he was uniqe and cool, today because there are a lot of better characters you see him boring", ">\n\nHe's been around too long in my opinion. Can only milk a character for so long", ">\n\nHere here! \nAnd when is he going to tell Louis Lane the truth, finally sleep with her, get married and have some kids, like damn lol. That's all I want to know? And why is she too slow to not notice the man is the same man without glasses. As someone who has dated a person with glasses, it isn't too hard to know who they are LOL.", ">\n\nwhen?\n8 years ago", ">\n\nRight?! I'm sitting here like \"uh... He did all that. Is this a sarcasm post?\"", ">\n\nFirst I’d say this opinion isn’t really unpopular unless you’re talking with DC fans. Second I personally feel like comics do a somewhat better job of portraying his weakness as emotional rather than physical. Like having the strength to do something but having to struggle with the issue of whether or not it would be morally acceptable for him to do it?", ">\n\n\nIf I told you I was creating a character who is virtually an indestructible god with only one real weakness\n\nHey...look...another post on unpopular opinion that is, in fact, just wrong.\nMaybe try reading the comics or watching the shows before criticizing? Supes has a whole list of weaknesses. Kryptonite is just the one that sticks out in your mind because it's unique to kryptonians.", ">\n\nIt probably just sticks out in their mind because they don't actually read any of the comic books.", ">\n\nKarma farming for fun and just makes them look ignorant.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in a time when comic books were the only medium, way back in the middle of the last century. Although they release newer version of his character and introduce new more powerful adversaries he has alot of nostalgia, evident by the red/white/blue coloring and patriotism. However if you are looking at this from a more recent generation (i.e. you were born after the 90s-2000) he comes off as goofy and overpowered. I think the bigger issue here is your perception.", ">\n\nyou have never ever read a dc comic have you", ">\n\nTell me you've never read a Superman comic without telling me.", ">\n\n“One real weakness”. Tell me you’ve never read a Superman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Superman comic.", ">\n\nSuperman was created in 1933. Let that marinate", ">\n\nHis first appearance was on April 18, 1938.", ">\n\nWeren't those characters scrapped because of how poorly-received they were?", ">\n\nMaybe this makes him less boring:\nSuperman is a symbolic figure meant to represent Jewish Masculinity, and triumph against social injustice. He was created by a Jewish-Canadian Writer and Cartoonist in his youth. The character was an outlet to portray a strong male character who fights against oppression, and evil. If you pay attention, Superman has always been portrayed with dark features. Jet Black hair, Brown eyes (originally), and tawny or olive skin tone. Not so much Anglo-features. Now with the exception of Christopher Reeves. I grew up watching the animated series and remembering the Asian American Superman in the 90s, sitcom, played by Dean Cain. He is actually a biracial but yeah...\nThis was during the pre-stages of WW2 where anti-antisemitism was in vogue within Western society. If you even consider the fictional names of Superman \"Ka-Lel\" and others from planet Kyrpton, they are all supposed to mirror some real Jewish names. Superman as Clark Kent is KaLel's Earthly identity when he is attempting to integrate and culturally \"Code Switch\" into Anglo-white society, something that Jews at the time had to subscribe too. Something that other racial groups are known to do today.", ">\n\nYou only think this becuase you havent read the comics.", ">\n\nComments like this make me want to rip my hair out, the comics are what made me make this post. Did you even read the damn title Mr \"oH yOu JuSt HaVeNt ReAd ThE cOmIcS\"", ">\n\nBro you say in your comment that most of superman's fights end up with him unharmed or have him only harmed via kryptonite when in the comics there are loads of characters that can go toe to toe with him physically and hes demonstrated to have a bunch of other weaknesses outside of kryptonite. So it doesnt matter that you say \"ive read the comics\" when everything else you say suggest you dont.", ">\n\nIts the daily topic about Superman made by somebody who has never read a Superman comic", ">\n\nIt's the original comment made by the superman fanboy who can't think of anything else to say", ">\n\nCalling a comment unoriginal for suggesting your vapid opinion has no merit if you haven't read any comics is not the clever response you think it is.", ">\n\nExcept for the fact that the literal title of the post mentions the comments, and all my judgements were based off the comics. This is why it's stupid. I made this post having read the comics. Significantly.", ">\n\nYour original post reads more as if you skimmed through a few superman comics and made stupid conclusions based on that.", ">\n\nI'd like to say, OP doesn't have to have read the comics to think superman is boring. Most mainstream media about him is in movies which, usually, only portray those two factors. Think of it more as OP criticizing the pop culture form of superman as opposed to comics which, tbf also do a little retconning of their own.", ">\n\nA very interesting point about Superman was made in \"Kill Bill, Vol.2,\" when Bill explains to Beatrice why she is too special to live a normal life. He says, all the superheroes put on costumes to assume the character of a superhero, except Superman. His costume is his character, and he has to put on a normal costume to not be a superhero. So he is special.", ">\n\nBack around '85 they did a reboot and John Byrne essentially wrote him as the opposite. Clark Kent was the person - Superboy didn't exist in the reboot - and Superman was the secret identity he created to do his good deeds. A much more interesting take on the character, and it made me a bigger fan.\nBill's version of events is basically Superman when poorly portrayed, which has been pretty common over the years.", ">\n\nHave you seen the movie Angus? There’s a scene about how Superman isn’t brave in there that you may enjoy. the scene", ">\n\nSuperman on his own is fine I think, any good super man story is not a test of his might, it’s a test of his morals and if he can continue being the best out of all of us. \nI think the real issue is when he’s on a team (justice league). There is quite literally no reason for him to have a team made up of people who combined do not even sniff the kind of power he has (minus maybe the flash depending on the story). That’s why in both versions of the justice league movies it’s really just a team trying to resurrect super man so he can win the fight.", ">\n\nBatman is the most boring", ">\n\nIt’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a stupid opinion!", ">\n\nYou must have lost your damn mind", ">\n\nHave you heard of Doomsday?", ">\n\nOh look. someone is telling us they know shit all about Superman.", ">\n\nOP, OP, OP \nYou really sound like one of those people who think “grim and gritty” or “woe is me, people don’t like me (aka the “help help I’m being oppressed” X-men) is character development.\nSupe’s weakness is that he can not be everywhere at all times. Some of the best Superman stories deal with his struggles on how to choose who to help, how to balance his real life and needs with the universe’s need for Superman, and how To help when his powers can not.\nThe core of Superman’s appeal is not his powers, it is that he is one of Mr. Roger’s helpers. That he is a good man who believes that people are essentially good, and all people should be equally valued whether they are rich or poor or super-powered or not. That he chooses to help people, not for fame or money but because he can help.", ">\n\nThe opinion of someone whos never read a superman comic.", ">\n\nOnce again, the opposite of what the sub is for. This is probably the most popular opinion, and most wrong opinion, in all of comics.", ">\n\nHonestly, i agree. Hes a total mary sue. If a brand new writer had written a book with a character like that, itd get laughed out of publishing. Famous content isnt always good content.", ">\n\nTell me you know nothing about Superman without saying you know nothing about Superman.", ">\n\nTell me you've never made an original comment without telling me you've never made an original comment", ">\n\n\"no u\"", ">\n\nI have to downvote cause i agree 100%, there are rules to writing good characters and he breaks a lot of them… as a character, he’s boring. If he was introduced nowadays people wouldnt even give him a second look. He’s only liked because during the time period he was introduced everyone wanted the ‘perfect’ man superhero. Sorry.. perfect is boring.", ">\n\nlaughs in Superman All-Star\nIf you read just one Superman book to utterly change your opinion, this is the one.", ">\n\nHonestly… i really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him. Lol. A character isnt important enough for me to care about changing my mind", ">\n\n\ni really dont like the character, and have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nCool. Sounds like you don't have the most solid ground for that opinion you hold then.", ">\n\nMy opinion is ‘i dont like the character’\nMy opinion is just as valid as a super fan. My QOL isnt suffering because i have 0 interest in consuming media about a fictional character i dont like. 😘", ">\n\nYour opinion is based, by your own admission, on ignorance of the character. There's a difference between an informed opinion and an ignorant one. One is more valid than the other.", ">\n\nI said nothing about ignorance. Ive seen plenty of superman movies with friends, and ive read justice league comics. I dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist", ">\n\nPost comment edit: gotta love the ones who reply then block as fast as they can, as if that didn't indicate a complete lack of faith in their own opinions or a ability to communicate. Ah well.\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\n\nHow would you know you don't like it if you've never read it? Also, no one is asking you to read \"every bit of media\" I'm recommending one book.\n\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.\n\nSad refrain of the intellectually lazy with nothing left to say.\n--------Original comment-------\nYou:\n\nand have 0 interest in reading any of the books about him.\n\nAlso you:\n\nI said nothing about ignorance.\n\nChoose one.\nAlso,\n\nIve seen plenty of superman movies with friends,\n\nThe movies aren't the books.\n\nive read justice league comics\n\nCool. Do you know why they're titled \"Justice League\" instead of \"Superman\"?\nBecause they're not Superman. Justice League is a book about a team, not any one character.\n\nI dont like him, and i dont want to read/watch anything new on him because… i dont like him as a character\nIts a fictional character. Stop getting offended that i dont think he’s the greatest thing to exist\n\nRedundant. Little bothered are we? \nI'm not offended that you don't like Superman. I used to feel the same way about him until a good friend put the book I recommended in front of me and said \"this will change your mind.\" and he was completely right. I had to admit that my earlier opinion of the character was based on ignorance of the character (mostly movies and JLA/JLU, actually).\nThere's no shame in being ignorant. There's lots of shit I don't know. More in this world to learn than we'll ever have time for. I'm not bothered at all that a stranger doesn't like what I do (I'm really not, reddit is a timewaster for me while I poop or wait for something else, nothing more. I don't get upset here, it's not worth it).\nI'm continuing to reply because your opinion is ignorant and you don't see it. If you're fine remaining ignorant, cool. That's on you. There's a word for that too, though.", ">\n\nAgain… im not going to ingest every bit of media about a character i do not like\nYoure being pathetic. Not going to entertain you anymore cause this is just sad from you. Lol.", ">\n\nNot unpopular at all. I don’t find the character compelling.\nIt’s also funny when people say things like “well, you’ve never read it!” Yeah, I never read entire runs of Superman, because I don’t find the character compelling. I don’t keep partaking of any media if it’s not compelling simply because people tell me to.", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman. It is quite possibly the best comic ever, period.", ">\n\nUnderstandable", ">\n\nI completely agree. I've never been excited about Amy superman movie because he is just too powerful. He can do everything but turn invisible. Its boring as fuck", ">\n\nEverytime someone says this it turns out they know next to nothing about comics and are just a casual fan", ">\n\nThis is like, the most popular opinion among people who have never read a Superman comic…", ">\n\nAn uneducated opinion is what this is. So you say you’ve read the comics but it’s pretty clear you haven’t.", ">\n\nThis isn't unpopular, superman is boring af. Go Goku!", ">\n\nBoring for people who only read comics for the back and forth punching and edginess? Sure. If you actually appreciated good emotional storytelling I guarantee you’d love the all star superman story, just like everyone else on this planet.", ">\n\nDefinitely gonna upvote this one", ">\n\nRight? “How are they gonna beat Superman this time? Whoa, they’ve got kryptonite? I am shocked at this turn of events!”", ">\n\nExactly", ">\n\nI agree with you, but remember that Superman was really the first superhero. And back then he was able to leap tall buildings, not fly.\nHe evolved as other superheroes were created and became mainstream.", ">\n\nDaring today aren't we.", ">\n\nThe problem with characters as powerful as him is that he's always shown being around less powerful heroes and villains. In his standalone stories he's better. There are villains that can match or beat him and his stories about morality are great.", ">\n\nGo watch one punch man. Basically satire on what you're complaining about. His only kryptonite is he wins every fight with one punch when all he wants is a proper fight.", ">\n\nI agrree", ">\n\nI really like Superman but I’d have to agree. I definitely thought he was more boring when I was a kid but he’s grown on me a bit. I’m sure in the comics got more depth and more going on, but in the movies (aside from man of steel in my opinion) he’s very underwhelming and the threats he faces are often barely even threats. The first Superman movie was laughable to me even at 9, he spends the movie doing the most mediocre things and lex Luthor is just a crazy bitter old business owner with some bumbling side kicks. As the kids say, the movie is cringe. The 2006 one is the same, most memorable part of that movie is that Kal Penn is in it and weirdly cast as an evil side kick with no lines yet he was arguably one of the more famous people in that film. But that film, again, is just Superman flying around handing out flyers, helping old ladies cross the street, tying peoples shoes, etc. Then oh no, a Kryptonite island appears, oh no, a disgruntled CEO with a Mid life crisis created it, better throw it out into space. The end.", ">\n\nBlame the writers, not the hero. \nEvery good Superman story is where he is placed in a moral dilemma where he is torn over what decision or action to take. His life doesn't need to be in danger, but when his choices can put others' lives in danger, then you have a good Superman story.", ">\n\nI feel like it’s only right to have the embodiment of all superheroes’ traits, actually exist in the respective superhero’s universe, no?", ">\n\nI think the bigger issue is how inconsistent the character is. Given that there’s so many writers of the character, there are so many versions and iterations of him.", ">\n\nTbf that’s true of basically every comic book hero out there", ">\n\nHe's better as a side character", ">\n\nHonestly, you're right, and were it not for Bill's monolog in Kill Bill vol 2, I would think that Superman was completely overrated.", ">\n\nI hate that almost every such film and not only has to have love story. Its annoying.", ">\n\nI don't think that's an unpopular opinion. People watch Superman cause it's fun not because not interesting.", ">\n\nThe only ever good plot lines were when he got the red kryptonite or was angry enough to inflict pain.\nSmallville had some episodes when he gets really angry and stops pulling his punches for a moment or uses his powers for selfish reasons.\nI am not saying I like him being evil, but it makes for sooooo much more interesting plot.\nI hear what you are saying, but the truly boring piece of shit is Batman, solely due to the fact that they remake the same bullshit every three months. Nothing in the world is more washed out than Batman.", ">\n\nSuperman fans pointing you to the comics is like fans of bad animes trying to transition someone over to the manga. lol", ">\n\nDespite the fact my judgements are literally based off the comics", ">\n\nOh look, it's that unpopular opinion again !\nNot unpopular.", ">\n\n“Pull the 492nd chunk of Kryptonite out their ass”", ">\n\nThis isn’t unpopular at all. As a matter of fact, they regularly joke about it within the comics.", ">\n\nSpoken like someone who only watched Man of Steel then came to Reddit to complain. Superman is such an interesting character when he’s written well — if anything, he probably loses more long-standing battles with individuals than Batman, as Supes is at his core a genuinely good person who will lay down his own life to save another.", ">\n\nOne of the best takes on the hero and his internal struggles is contained within this little gem: <link> Superman’s Song - Crash Test Dummies (1991)", ">\n\nHe's boring sure, but you need to remember that he was one of the first superheroes to exist, so you just sort of have to excuse how unoriginal or uninspired he may seem. Now if you want to give a character such as The Hulk shit, then you can give him all the shit you want. After all, The Hulk is basically just some dorky scientist who transforms into a green giant when someone pisses in his Cheerios. I mean really, he's quite literally the most overrated and boring comic book character I can think of.", ">\n\nI recommend listening to Overly Sarcastic Studios' video, Satirizing Superman. I thought like this for awhile as well.", ">\n\nYES and he’s perfect / not even human so why would I care? This is why I prefer Batman, deals with gritty humanity", ">\n\nHe has three weaknesses, and too much of the thing that grants his power can kill some versions.", ">\n\nThe way I see it is Superman is great because of his character not necessarily for his fights. He is essentially a human in the way he feels like a human but he is given powers of a god and has to deal with human events around him. He is a boy from a small town but now the fate of the earth is up to him. He has to deal with the fact that he can’t save everyone even with his almighty powers. He has to live with all this extra responsibilities that no other human can imagine.", ">\n\nNow, homelander is a different story...", ">\n\nThis comment speaks to the larger point of why people who don't get what makes a character work shouldn't be tasked with writing that character. \nAsk yourself what you would do if you had near godlike power? \nThen ask yourself why Clark Kent consistently chooses to do the opposite. \nYou would probably kill Manchester Black or Mongul but Clark instead tries to help them or when that's not an option, inspire their victims to help themselves. \nMost of us would use Clark's powers selfishly to impose our will on an uncooperative universe. So his canonical use of Gold Kryptonite to remove his powers when he was at best tangentially responsible for the death of civilians is why some fans don't like the entire Injustice Storyline \nAnd Garth Ennis wasn't breaking new ground when he wrote The Boys, insane evil Superman was done to death a long time ago. Indeed even a casual look at Ennis work reveals his cynical appraisal of humanity is why he doesn't \"get\" superheroes. When the basic concept of selflessness is foreign to you you probably won't understand or be able to coherently write a story about a person that will chose voluntarily to put themselves in harm's way for another person. \nIf Superman is old and busted there's a lot of other stories that you'll have to stop enjoying because Stranger in a strange land is a narrative staple that literally goes back to biblical times and beyond.", ">\n\nSuperman isn’t interesting because of his powers he’s interesting because he’s relatable. Superman represents everyone, he represents the idealized versions of ourselves. \nCompare Superman to Batman, he may have powers but Batman has wealth, sex appeal, he has a dark edge. Superman is the everyman. He works a job and pines after a woman. He visits his parents for the holidays. \nAnd this is not to say that Batman isn’t great I love Batman almost as much as I love Superman.", ">\n\nAnybody else old enough here who remembers the Superman game for the Atari 2600? Pretty damned good for, what, 4k memory?", ">\n\nRead All Star Superman and get back to me.", ">\n\nThis is a commonly known fact in the comic world. That’s why he has always had to have such a large supporting cast of characters around him.", ">\n\nIt really depends on how you write Superman. His struggles are different. I mean, Justice League Unlimited is what I'd say, captured the ideal Superman characterization. \nThe \"World of Cardboard\" Speech. The episode where he's given a parasitic creature that makes him experience his deepest desires. \nHe's not super edgy.\nHis struggle is a hidden one. That he desires a sense of true normality. That he wants a normal, peaceful life. And the reaction he has after he realizes the world he experienced due to that parasitic creature wasn't real....was a truly visceral reaction. He was angry and hurt in a way he didn't want to be. \nIt's why the DCAU from years back. That depiction needs to be more of the framework.\nSuperman is supposed to be a paragon for all that is good. My opinion is, the two best ways to handle Superman are, like in JLU, where he feels humanized, but is still an outsider. Or the Injustice version, where he completely snaps. Because Superman turns interesting as well, if he snaps in the right way, for the right reason.", ">\n\nSuperman used to get new powers based on who he was fighting so he could beat them lol. It was a much different time when he was created", ">\n\nI agree, his whole character is so “superior human genetics” ish that I find it slightly boring and somewhat problematic when viewed through a particular lense but there’s a black Superman in an alternate universe so theres that lol. The damage is still done tho and dude is still pretty dull", ">\n\nOP needs to read the comics", ">\n\n……but then again when the movie starts having him do dubious shit like destroying skyscrapers killing people etc, audiences started to freak out", ">\n\nYou gotta watch smallville I wasn’t a fan of supes till I watched it it’s all about Clark discovering his powers and becoming Superman. Here you see a vulnerable Clark", ">\n\nYou really think a character with the characteristics you describe would be this popular to this day?", ">\n\nSuperman doesn't have any problems with invincibility than any other superhero, Batman literally fell from orbit like 2 weeks ago and landed just fine.\nAll the best Superman stories and writers don't focus on the battles, they focus on the humanity behind Superman, the genuine want to save everyone, all that intangible stuff. Look at All Star Superman, widely recognized as one of the best superhero comics ever written, sure there's some action in that book but it's nowhere near the focus, the final fight between Superman and Lex isn't solved by who hits the hardest or who has kryptonite, it's Superman outsmarting Lex and Lex finally having the opportunity to see the world as Superman does (literally) and he sees that we're all we've got, and literally sheds tears. \nSuperman isn't boring, he's had some boring writers, but Superman is the most interesting character to maybe ever exist", ">\n\nWhat is the best selling book of all time?", ">\n\nI think supermans best moments where in the none canons like Injustice, Red Sun and DCeased. We've had very interesting, near indestructible hero's before like Invincible and (dating myself here) Saitama from One Punch Man.\nThe issue is a lack of substance or variety in how conflicts arise for the character. Hes become too bland and formulaic. This maybe due to him being a character with broad appeal but after decades, those of us who grew up with him would like something new.\nThe none canons showed that superman is at his best when there's huge internal conflict or when he reaches his limits but continues to push just a little bit further.", ">\n\n.", ">\n\nIt’s not his strength that makes him interesting. It’s his kindness and good-natured attitude. Kind is not boring. Plus, what do you mean that no fight has any tension? A lot of people that superman fights are on par or more powerful than him. Darkseid, Lex Luthor when he has kryptonite, Doomsday, The Elite, so on. \nWhile I agree that on paper the character is boring, so are most characters. I tell everyone the same thing. The powers are secondary. It’s his personality and how he chooses to use his powers that’s important", ">\n\ni ll be extremely honest- superman is a crapbag. hes nowhere good as other characters", ">\n\nI agree. That’s why I love the twists they put on Superman-like characters like Omni-man (Invincible) and Homelander (The Boys).\n(Mild spoilers) In both cases, they aren’t heroes but rather actors, not valuing human lives and doing actions for themselves. Eventually they turn from hero to maniac, and it’s a question about how the world would deal with them.", ">\n\nso unpopular, dude", ">\n\nStudio Ghibli movies are sexist borefests. There's my unpopular opinion for Reddit.", ">\n\nVery unpopular opinion there and I'd have to disagree, Zack Snyder showed the man of steel can be a very complex and fascinating character", ">\n\nAgain, I will upvote this unpopular opinion as that is the reason for this sub.", ">\n\nHere's another hot take: \nThe West needs to expand beyond super heros. Manga has basically hit every imaginable genre and meanwhile with comics they're almost always super heros, midieval, or \"adult cartoons.\"", ">\n\nNo way! Supes is brilliant. Sure he’s almost indestructible. But he’s the last of his kind (except for the villains who seem to constantly come after him). That has to be mentally damaging.\nHe loses his earth dad too. And people go after everyone and everything he loves. The only people he can relate to are superheroes.\nIt comes down to how it’s written. Any superhero can be shit.", ">\n\nNever got into Superman. Too goody goody. And his costume sucks", ">\n\nHave you read superman comics? Bc his characters whats interesting, not his feats i usually go in understanding hes indestructable but everyone he loves.. isnt. Say lois is in danger and so is all of metropolis he wont pick one hell save everyone push the limits whats interesting is him being forced to choose and knowing he wont hell save everyone. Hes like all powerful batman they arent opposites they are two different stories that come to the same conclusion. \nBasically with less words read invincible and hes kinda how superman fans see superman. And nonfans see omni man.", ">\n\nGood for you, obviously there is a great deal of people who do indeed enjoy his comics, and even more his character ideals. \nPerhaps you should find a different character that likes to get on the brink of death before fighting back, I'm sure there's some there's got to be lmao. That sounds like it would fit your description of want for a struggle.", ">\n\nI’m not a massive fan of Superman in crossover stuff because in my head he just makes every other character obsolete, but a paragon hero who CAN win almost any fight has potential for some great story lines. \nWhat happens when the problem can’t be punched?\nWhat happens when saving everyone isn’t an option?\nWhat happens when the people you protect turn against or start fearing you?\nThe actual fights while they look great are the least interesting part of Superman conceptually.", ">\n\nYet the same people praise Batman even tho he wins every single fight because “he’s Batman”", ">\n\nCuriosily what have you read of Superman? Because he does have several real weaknesses", ">\n\nSuperman isn't supposed to be interesting. Clark Kent is the A-story, hiding Superman makes Clark interesting. But Clark didn't hang out with Batman so we keep getting group movies with only the least interesting aspects of the character.\nThink of a Superman story. Who are the side characters who occur to you first? Lois, Jimmy, pa Kent, CLARK'S friends.\nBatman? Cat woman, Robin, joker, bat girl.\nYou never see Bruce at work at Wayne enterprises. You see Clark at the daily planet CONSTANTLY. \nYea, Bruce Wayne is boring too. But the story isn't about him. But if you mostly see super group movies and shows you don't really get Clark.\nBut at least he's better than hulk because BOTH hulk and banner are dull af", ">\n\nThat's why Goku is better.", ">\n\nAgreed. Him and Spiderman are the least interesting superheroes of all time and I wish these franchises would get put on the backburner for much more interesting characters like Martian Manhunter or Doctor Doom.", ">\n\nI think supermans thing is \"the power of a God, the soul of a man.\" Basically, he doesnt turn into homelander.", ">\n\nHeard about things that popularised/created the tropes (LOTR). Superman is one of them. Look at how old Superman comics are. Yeah he seems boring now that you have new superhero fiction.", ">\n\nthe best way I've heard it explained is \"Superman stories aren't about whether he survives, but whether anyone else can survive sharing a reality with Superman.\"\nthat typed, still among my least favorites.", ">\n\nA lot of Superman is about his life, drama, and personality. I understand if you look at him from JUST the superhero aspect, he is really boring, though, so if you're looking for just superhero stuff, he's not the best pick.", ">\n\nCheck out All Star Superman if you want to see him in a different light. He slowly losing his powers while trying to save everyone still. I won't say anything more about the plot, but he's definitely not all powerful in this one.", ">\n\nOnly comic I read is the Bible, no super hero is as powerful as the holy trinity. If you need to be saved, better let Jesus save your soul from eternal hell", ">\n\nThis 100%. Superman fucking sucks", ">\n\nRegardless of this being unpopular, it's true.", ">\n\nIn the movies? Sure. In the comics? Read one, I dare you.", ">\n\nyeah he sucks", ">\n\nTo be fair, this isn't unpopular. Superman's villians and supporting cast are what make the comics good. Supes himself sucks.", ">\n\nJust remember: Its fiction", ">\n\nYou just summed up pretty much every superhero.", ">\n\nNot at all?", ">\n\nAll comics are fucking boring when you get past a certain age. This adult obsession with a form that was originally targeted for 9 year olds is a rather disturbing phenomenon.", ">\n\nI feel exactly the same way about adults who watch other adults play games on tv.", ">\n\nTell us you've never read a Superman comic without actually telling us" ]