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Ah, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.
Boo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\""
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Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.
Ah yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs."
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Sorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs."
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Yea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.
Prehaps it's time for something new. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work."
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Ah, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new."
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence."
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?"
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How is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new..."
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Generation after 9/11 | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas."
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11"
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I support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations."
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This rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it."
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I didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags. | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off"
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It’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen.
People are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”.
We will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy.
That’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it.
We have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer.
All of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day) | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags."
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Which do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals? | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)"
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Decades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles... | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?"
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?",
">\n\nDecades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles..."
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?",
">\n\nDecades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles...",
">\n\nOk now that came out of nowhere lol"
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If you were born in the 90s you’re a millenial. Gen Z does not claim this man | [
"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?",
">\n\nDecades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles...",
">\n\nOk now that came out of nowhere lol",
">\n\nIs that supposed to be followed by /s"
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?",
">\n\nDecades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles...",
">\n\nOk now that came out of nowhere lol",
">\n\nIs that supposed to be followed by /s",
">\n\nIf you were born in the 90s you’re a millenial. Gen Z does not claim this man"
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"As a millennial who was in high school when columbine happened, I thought I was part of the mass shooting generation. I never imagined it would get as bad as it has. Fuck every politician who sits on their hands while our kids die.",
">\n\nI live in Colorado, which at this point is like the poster child for mass shootings. There have been three mass shootings that made national news since I moved here. I lived in Aurora for a while - you can guess what people's first reaction was when I told them that.\nIt's fucking insane. I've been lucky, my closest connection to a mass shooting was when a couple coworkers visited the Boulder King Sooper less than 24 hours before the shooting there, and a bunch of people texted me concerned because it's close to my office. I was also within a couple blocks of the Planned Parenthood shooting when it happened. Thankfully, nobody I know was hurt. But damn, it's horrible.\nWhile gun violence has many factors to be addressed, I think the phenomenon of mass shootings in particular has one major factor that sets it apart:\nRight wing radicalization.\nThis isn't suicide due to unavailability of mental health care. This isn't drug related violence. This is a bunch of people radicalized online by far right propaganda and incel forums. Until we figure out a way to eliminate those things, no amount of gun laws will make a difference.",
">\n\nI'm sorry hear about your closeness to this issue. But I value your perspective, and I very much agree.\nMyself, I don't have a problem with guns. Being around one or around someone with one doesn't make me one iota uncomfortable. They say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. And those people right now are the radicalized right wingers. We really have to put a stop to this right wing radicalization. I have no idea how....",
">\n\n\nThey say \"guns don't kill people, people kill people\" - I think that's right. \n\nAnd yet people without guns don't mass shoot people. Weird how they works.",
">\n\nYeah, they just mass kill by other means, like in Nice. But I guess those deaths don't matter.",
">\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun. In fact, it's so hard to do that when it does happen, people remember it for years to come, like the stabbings in Nice. This is an example of \"the exception that proves the rule.\"\nThere's no reason to be obtuse here. In the modern day, mass killing is realistically only done with guns. This is a fact regardless of how you feel about guns and gun control.",
">\n\n\nMass killing is significantly harder without a gun.\n\nNot really. Nice is just one example. Bombing and vehicles are easy to employ.",
">\n\nEvidently they are less easy to employ than guns?",
">\n\n^\n\n“I think we have an opportunity, even in a Republican Congress, to pass legislation that can help get money for community violence intervention programs that help end gun violence before it even happens,” he said.\nHe further insists that any prospective legislation needs to have a mental health component.\n“Folks with serious mental health issues are often scapegoated as the reason why there’s gun violence,” Frost says. “But as someone who’s been doing the work, when you look into the numbers, having a serious mental health issue doesn’t make you more likely to shoot someone. It actually makes you more likely to be shot.”\nFrost intends to keep the pressure on both Republicans “who sweep the deaths of children under the rug” and on members of his own party who have been otherwise disinclined to take bold action. “I’d venture to say that gun control is the slowest-moving issue in the federal government that has the most media coverage when something happens,” he says. “I have to be the consistent voice.”\n\nArticle continues..",
">\n\nMost of that is true. But it's not folks with serious mental illness. To be sure, mental illness definitely plays a role. Lack of care options, stigmas, and undiagnosed mental health problems are absolutely part of the problem. But what we really see far more is a correlation between poverty and gun violence. It's got to be the most reliable correlation.",
">\n\nPlease don't conflate the two things like everyone loves to to fit their story. Poverty and gun violence and crime as a whole are definitely correlated. But when we talk about school shootings, Mall shootings, black church shootings, sikh temple shootings, gay club shootings, supermarket shootings, that's a different topic",
">\n\nThere's one pretty clear constant when it comes to gun violence in the US: an overabundance of guns. If we want to tackle gun violence, we have to address the absolutely insane number of guns our citizens possess.",
">\n\nSure but, pointing out that we had record gun sales in 2020 and that they clearly has an impact on the increase in shootings and gun violence makes you a screeching woke lib or something. It's completely impossible to get any one to just acknowledge that more guns=more shootings as an objective fact.",
">\n\nI wonder how much of those record sales was liberals reacting to the conservative attempt to overthrow the government.",
">\n\nAnecdotally, I purchased a handgun due to that exact reason. So that's at least 1.",
">\n\nAnother anecdote, my experience at the range has been a huge influx of new gun owners from all walks of life. \nI'm a gun owner in an extremely liberal state. So it's somewhat more safe here for all kinds of people to show up at a range. \nAnd honestly, I'm delighted to see new gun owners putting in the time to build habits and proficiency. Way too many of these panic buyers will just buy a gun and stick it in the nightstand, hoping they'll magically become John Wick in a crisis.",
">\n\nCome down to Houston, the ranges here are generally very diverse and just about everyone here owns.",
">\n\nKeep going for the jugular, kid.\n-a Millenial who's watched this shit for far too long.",
">\n\nI had a school lockdown in college that thankfully no one was hurt in. But hearing the alarms and realizing it was a real lockdown was terrifying. Having to hide and the door opening because students were looking for a place to hide and wait for the all clear still stays with me. Our professor was near tears and I was praying to anyone who would hear just in case. I just wanted to go home. \nLuckily we got the all clear and able to get home safe and sound. Next day, Sandy hook was all over the news. All I think about is those kids and teachers every time a shooting happens. Realizing they probably felt that same fear and just wanted to go home. It hurts to see nothing has changed but gotten worse since. My heart aches for anyone having to experience that feeling of uncertainty and not being able to get home.",
">\n\nGen-Z: Hey can you stop us from getting murdered at school?\nGOP: haha no fuck you\nGen-Z: Hi we're adults now and we're never voting for you.\nGOP: why tho",
">\n\nMore like \nGen-Z: Hi we’re adults now and we’re never voting at all\nGOP: Ok we’ll continue ignoring you\nGen-Z: why tho",
">\n\nOk come back if you get rich",
">\n\nIt’s such a uniquely American problem that we have the highest rates of gun ownership of any country by an absurd margin and the highest rates of gun violence of any country by an absurd margin and our elected officials believe the two are unconnected. Somehow.",
">\n\nBut we need more guns to stop all the guns! \nThis forest fire is out of control! Quick! Get the flame thrower!",
">\n\nTo be fair, they do burn shit to control fires",
">\n\nThe difference being that when they grab the flamethrowers, they don’t aim them at elementary schools, theaters, and churches. They surround the fire itself",
">\n\nAre boomers then the \"serial killer\" generation?",
">\n\nHe's not wrong.",
">\n\nDoes it make a whole lot of sense to define a generation on something that results in like 25-50 deaths per year on average?",
">\n\nYou need to relook at your numbers because the death toll is a lot higher",
">\n\nI bet I'd have great quads/calves if I moved goal posts all the time.",
">\n\nHow is that moving a goalpost? Avg. over the last 40 years is 25. 55 is not a lot higher than 50.",
">\n\nHey, homie. I think you need to relax.\nThe median over the last 40 years is 15. 55 is not a lot higher than 50, and a million is not a lot higher than a trillion.",
">\n\nThe cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives",
">\n\nThe US Supreme Court has ruled that concealed carry is a constitutional right.\nBut they won't allow concealed carry in their own building while they are hearing cases. \nForce them to follow the same rules as they are imposing on the rest of us, and watch how quickly they change their tune.",
">\n\nI feel like it's been a few generations at this point.",
">\n\nI was 5 when Columbine happened. I obviously didn’t know what happened at the time but as I got into junior high and high school I started to see it in the news. I was always so scared sitting in class and being in crowded hallways where I wouldn’t be able to easily run away if shooting started to happen terrified me. In college, I always picked a seat near an exit and I was constantly paranoid that someone was going to come in and start shooting. I have kids of my own now and I’m seriously considering homeschooling them because I can’t imagine sending them to school and something happening.",
">\n\nThe statistics and studies regarding firearms are becoming and have been extremely politically motivated. We've seen asinine things included in datasets many times to either inflate or deflate the numbers. \nI'm against banning guns for a few reasons personally. \nThe police are viciously violent and untrustworthy with no legal duty to save or protect anyone. They are absurdly militarized and already stomp on civil rights daily and I know you've all seen the articles that just become more and more frequent.\nAmericans have no social healthcare meaning anyone who gets seriously hurt needs tens of thousands of dollars to be okay again. Sure they might save your life but the bill will make you want to die anyhow. Medical debt last I checked is the leading cause of bankrupcy in the U.S.\nThe theme here so far is that without firearms americans have no assurance whatsoever of their well being. Calling 911 is dysfunctional. Pacifying everyone while providing zero groundwork to be like other nations is throwing Americans to the wolves.\nMy last reason which might be controversial but is that culturally this is the way of life I want to have. I do think we need to address a lot of problems but prior to the 1990s america did not have a problem with mass shootings even though semi automatics including ar15s were widely available. \nIt is only in the past several years that the number of incidents have risen drastically. For that reason I think guns are not the root cause but rather political tension, ongoing poverty, media infamy, and other societal causes.\nMy view on this might change personally if we got all the reforms I wish we had. But the way this dialogue is going it looks like we'd just get the firearm bans and none of the police reform or social healthcare and that's a shit deal in my eyes.",
">\n\nIt’s interesting that some American think that taking away a gun is infringement of their rights while taking away a persons freedom to go freely into society isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat freedom to go into society is taken away?",
">\n\nThat’s the point. People are afraid to venture out. People live in fear that a group setting may be the next mass shooting. That’s not freedom.",
">\n\nNo one is stopping you from venturing out, except you.",
">\n\nK bro…",
">\n\nThat’s cool. Now let’s get more like him. Maybe in 50 years we can finally repeal the 2nd amendment. Hopefully I’ll still be alive to see that day. Probably not though.",
">\n\nI'm for this guy. Fuck the 2A. We have a military that rivals any other countries, our citizens have no need for military hardware. Restrict it to single shot or breech loaders for hunting use, enact a buyback, and throw anyone caught with an illegal weapon in jail for max penalty.",
">\n\nYou think it’s a great idea for only police, military, and the people who direct their actions (i.e., people whose main goal in life is to grow their own power and influence) to have all the weapons?",
">\n\nWorks for other democracies.",
">\n\nIt looks like it’s been working okay post WW2. I am not sure we’re out of the woods yet. It’s not unreasonable to think we might encounter some destabilizing issues in the world in our lifetimes. That might change things. Seems like the kind of thing that’s working until suddenly it isn’t anymore. But there are other good reasons for civilians to own practical firearms. If you have good training and are well practiced, you can protect yourself very effectively. Any kind of help from law enforcement is going to take minutes to arrive (after you realize your life is in danger, and/if you manage to call them, if the system is working properly). That’s a long time to wait in life or death situations. Police can only protect you if protection is still applicable when they get there, and if they choose to. In most cases, they get there after whatever happens…",
">\n\nHow many people died of gun violence in Chicago this last wknd? How about you fix our inner cities? More people die of guns every weekend in Chicago than most mass shootings. I thought “Black Lives Matter”? You know damn well that’s a fkn lie.",
">\n\nThey’re not ready for that convo",
">\n\nWas he at UT when he’ll rained down from the tower, or is he just another ignorant self-promoter?",
">\n\nSo...what are your solutions buddy?",
">\n\nfrom his website:\n\"40,000 Americans die due to gun-related deaths each year. The most vulnerable members of our society account for the majority of those deaths. Mass violence has robbed my generation of our childhoods and cut many of our lives short. The attempts to simply regulate the sale of weapons haven’t worked. That’s why I support a holistic approach to gun violence, developed and championed by the Gun Violence Prevention movement. \nIN CONGRESS, I WILL WORK TO\nBan assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.\nRequire background checks for all gun sales.\nFund and support local community violence intervention programs, and ensure congress allocates at least $37 million to fully fund public research on gun violence.\nFight to end the corruption of the gun lobby and dismantle the NRA, and ensure our courts enforce licensing revocation for gun dealers and manufacturers who break the law.\nDevelop a national task force to end gun violence of which 25% of the membership is composed of youth and BIPOC representatives who are most affected by gun violence.\"",
">\n\nAh, so not actual solutions, just some unconstitutional measures that will score you political points with rich people.\nBoo all you want, gun control is not a popular issue anymore. You want to make a dent in gun violence? Increase the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.",
">\n\n\nIncrease the sentences for illegal gun possession. Enforce the laws we already have on the books. Go after gangs.\n\nAh yes, maybe this strategy will work just as well as it did with the war on drugs.",
">\n\nSorry, but unconstitutional bans on firearms are not on the table for a lot of people, nor do they work.",
">\n\nYea and the war on drugs is a shining beacon showing just how effective heavy enforcement is at stamping out a problem.\nPrehaps it's time for something new.",
">\n\nAh, yes, push unconstitutional laws that actually don't stop gun violence.",
">\n\nCan you let me know where I supported gun control? \nDo you think this is a 2 sided coin?",
">\n\nThe part where you said lets try something new...",
">\n\nHow is gun control something new? it's an old idea used in many countries and has been in discourse for decades.\nIt's time for new ideas.",
">\n\nGeneration after 9/11",
">\n\nYes, Gen Z has produced more mass shooters than other generations.",
">\n\nI support responsible 2A rights and am a gun owner myself but something’s gotta give to strike balance and help bring the gun violence problem under control. The founders who wrote the 2A would be aghast at the problem we have on our hands today, it’s certainly not what was envisioned when they wrote it.",
">\n\nThis rep is literally advocating for assault weapon bans and mag limits which don't do anything except piss people off",
">\n\nI didn’t say I agree with this rep specifically. Just saying that something has to give. And I agree limiting mag sizes and banning assault weapons doesn’t really accomplish much when there’s already so many of these weapons and mags out there, and a high capacity mag can easily be substituted with 2 lower capacity mags.",
">\n\nIt’s a mental health issue. We need to get to root of that. Healthy people don’t go around shooting people or showing off their gun as an extension of their personality. There’s a huge culture shift that needs to happen in this country and I don’t think there’s any law that can make that happen. \nPeople are in denial in this country about the depth of this mental health crisis. There’s so much propaganda coming from everywhere that as a nation we are so brainwashed that any solution offered is met with “mah freedum, mah rights”. \nWe will keep coming back to this until we fix the root of the problem: the normalization of violence in American culture and theocracy. \nThat’s the difference between the US and other developed countries. We haven’t moved beyond the primitive thought of praising violence as a way to save problems and using an invisible sky daddy to justify it. \nWe have the same extreme mentality toward violence and religion as third would countries and are wondering why we’re backsliding so fast. You cannot have a democratic country with brainwashed citizens or people in leadership that think people who don’t agree with their book of fairy tales should suffer. \nAll of our societal issues can be traced back to unchecked power from Christianity. (And Regan, but that’s a story for another day)",
">\n\nWhich do you think would be more feasible, mandatory, country-wide mental healthcare..or a buyback program and some repeals?",
">\n\nDecades spent honing their elite FPS & drifting skillz in video games have this generation uniquely qualified for leadership roles...",
">\n\nOk now that came out of nowhere lol",
">\n\nIs that supposed to be followed by /s",
">\n\nIf you were born in the 90s you’re a millenial. Gen Z does not claim this man",
">\n\nMost definitions of GenZ start in 1997, so he qualifies, in addition to identifying that way."
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"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards."
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Los Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!? | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC"
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That would be the drunkest form of transportation in history | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?"
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seems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history"
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Rail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices"
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Loves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives."
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I guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s). | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy."
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Truth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s)."
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Biden likes trains, what can you say. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe."
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Do you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say."
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cries in Coast Starlight and Cascades | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably."
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"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades"
] |
>
Yes. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take"
] |
>
We should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes."
] |
>
Exactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes.
We need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes.
We need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours.
We don’t need to blow money on the Acela line. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money."
] |
>
NYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line."
] |
>
Big agree.
Every flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know."
] |
>
Should have given the workers sick days. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail."
] |
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That's freight rail not AMTRAK | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days."
] |
>
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.
These funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
Taken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5 | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK"
] |
>
More | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5"
] |
>
Will this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper? | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore"
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If you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?"
] |
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I used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point? | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31."
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I remember some r/transit redditors mocked up some good regional transit lines, and their Midwest examples were great. I just want the Northern Lights Express to actually happen. | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31.",
">\n\nI used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point?"
] |
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How about letting people smoke weed at home and still qualify for DOT jobs | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31.",
">\n\nI used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point?",
">\n\nI remember some r/transit redditors mocked up some good regional transit lines, and their Midwest examples were great. I just want the Northern Lights Express to actually happen."
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China and Japan have rapid rail. Why can't we? | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31.",
">\n\nI used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point?",
">\n\nI remember some r/transit redditors mocked up some good regional transit lines, and their Midwest examples were great. I just want the Northern Lights Express to actually happen.",
">\n\nHow about letting people smoke weed at home and still qualify for DOT jobs"
] |
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we aren’t the greatest country in the world… i guess haha | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31.",
">\n\nI used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point?",
">\n\nI remember some r/transit redditors mocked up some good regional transit lines, and their Midwest examples were great. I just want the Northern Lights Express to actually happen.",
">\n\nHow about letting people smoke weed at home and still qualify for DOT jobs",
">\n\nChina and Japan have rapid rail. Why can't we?"
] |
> | [
"Let's see Wisconsin fuck this one up again.",
">\n\nI'm just going to guess that this will almost exclusively go the East and West seaboards.",
">\n\nIt says it’s for the NEC",
">\n\nLos Angeles Train to Las Vegas... where the fuck are you....?!?",
">\n\nThat would be the drunkest form of transportation in history",
">\n\nseems like a huge moneymaker as long as they are smart with their beverage prices",
">\n\nFantastic!\nRail moves people more efficiently than cars and that saves energy and less clogging of the roads probably saves lives.",
">\n\nLoves me the train travel! OMG the seats are so roomy.",
">\n\nI guess it all depends on where you're traveling. Commuter trains in some places can be quite crowded for rush hour(s).",
">\n\nTruth. The trains here in Washington state, and the Empire Builder that travels from Oregon/Washington to Chicago have nice wide seats with lots of leg room. So even if the train is crowded, there's still room to breathe.",
">\n\nBiden likes trains, what can you say.",
">\n\nDo you like trains redditor? I like trains. - Biden, probably.",
">\n\ncries in Coast Starlight and Cascades",
">\n\nIs that the train that Sen Murray and Wyden sometimes take",
">\n\nYes.",
">\n\nWe should be building more rail lines. 9 billion to make the Acela 2% better is a waste of money.",
">\n\nExactly. The number of actual lines we have in this country is pathetic. We don’t need giant coast-to-coast lines. We need lines where you can get to a sister city in 45 minutes. \nWe need local light rail and money to refurbish streets to have dedicated transit lanes. \nWe need local transit to come every 15 minutes instead of every 2 hours. \nWe don’t need to blow money on the Acela line.",
">\n\nNYC to Buffalo in 45 would be cool. I feel that we NYers could afford to put rail throughout and be a model to the rest of this country. But hey what do I know.",
">\n\nBig agree. \nEvery flight between Buffalo-NYC or Rochester-NYC is a policy failure. That trip could easily be 1.5 hours at most by rail.",
">\n\nShould have given the workers sick days.",
">\n\nThat's freight rail not AMTRAK",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nWASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced a Notice of Funding Opportunity making available nearly $9 billion in funding to upgrade and expand passenger rail services along the Northeast Corridor.\nThese funds will be issued through the Federal-State Partnership for Intercity Passenger Rail Grant Program, which grew to $36 billion over the next five years thanks to President Biden's Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\nTaken together, more than $11 billion in passenger rail funds have been made available in the first round of funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: fund^#1 Program^#2 rail^#3 passenger^#4 Northeast^#5",
">\n\nMore",
">\n\nWill this make the tickets on the NE corridor cheaper?",
">\n\nIf you plan in advance and aren’t limited to specific times, it’s pretty damn cheap. I can go from DC to NYC for $31.",
">\n\nI used to take the train to/from college between PA/MA. I would love something as cheap and direct in the Midwest, between Chicago and Minneapolis. It’s 2x as long as driving, and almost as expensive as flying. What’s the point?",
">\n\nI remember some r/transit redditors mocked up some good regional transit lines, and their Midwest examples were great. I just want the Northern Lights Express to actually happen.",
">\n\nHow about letting people smoke weed at home and still qualify for DOT jobs",
">\n\nChina and Japan have rapid rail. Why can't we?",
">\n\nwe aren’t the greatest country in the world… i guess haha"
] |
2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars
2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars
Given this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU. | [] |
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Thats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember?
The UK doesn’t need the EU. | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU."
] |
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The joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe. | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU."
] |
>
Although Brexit is in the Premier league of punch-ourselves-in-the-face brainless actions the drive for lower wages has been happening long before Brexit.
Here
We're now hearing debates where people believe it's an attempt to bring back a Black Mirror style style feudal system. | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU.",
">\n\nThe joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe."
] |
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How about they use some of that £350m a week the NHS has been getting fat on since brexit happened. | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU.",
">\n\nThe joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe.",
">\n\nAlthough Brexit is in the Premier league of punch-ourselves-in-the-face brainless actions the drive for lower wages has been happening long before Brexit.\n Here\nWe're now hearing debates where people believe it's an attempt to bring back a Black Mirror style style feudal system."
] |
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That'll pair real nice with the record high inflation | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU.",
">\n\nThe joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe.",
">\n\nAlthough Brexit is in the Premier league of punch-ourselves-in-the-face brainless actions the drive for lower wages has been happening long before Brexit.\n Here\nWe're now hearing debates where people believe it's an attempt to bring back a Black Mirror style style feudal system.",
">\n\nHow about they use some of that £350m a week the NHS has been getting fat on since brexit happened."
] |
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Yup, we've taken back control | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU.",
">\n\nThe joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe.",
">\n\nAlthough Brexit is in the Premier league of punch-ourselves-in-the-face brainless actions the drive for lower wages has been happening long before Brexit.\n Here\nWe're now hearing debates where people believe it's an attempt to bring back a Black Mirror style style feudal system.",
">\n\nHow about they use some of that £350m a week the NHS has been getting fat on since brexit happened.",
">\n\nThat'll pair real nice with the record high inflation"
] |
> | [
"2007 : UK GDP 3.11 trillion dollars\n2022 : UK GDP 3.2 trillion dollars\nGiven this does not include inflation adjustment. UK has lower GDP, more population, worse demographics and is no longer part of EU.",
">\n\nThats what the people wanted. They voted for it. There was a referendum remember? \nThe UK doesn’t need the EU.",
">\n\nThe joys of a post-Brexit economy in Europe.",
">\n\nAlthough Brexit is in the Premier league of punch-ourselves-in-the-face brainless actions the drive for lower wages has been happening long before Brexit.\n Here\nWe're now hearing debates where people believe it's an attempt to bring back a Black Mirror style style feudal system.",
">\n\nHow about they use some of that £350m a week the NHS has been getting fat on since brexit happened.",
">\n\nThat'll pair real nice with the record high inflation",
">\n\nYup, we've taken back control"
] |
In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).
I'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes | [] |
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I thought chemo would cause weight loss. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes"
] |
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Steroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss."
] |
>
Jamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain."
] |
>
Oh that’s awful. I can’t imagine. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness."
] |
>
Fuck cancer. :( | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine."
] |
>
You know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :("
] |
>
Jesus. This guy can’t catch a break.
I hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well.
He’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless."
] |
>
Last week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him."
] |
>
I would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks."
] |
>
Oh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch."
] |
>
I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.
You have more faith in them than I, friend. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this."
] |
>
Those are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are... | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend."
] |
>
Oh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏 | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are..."
] |
>
I wish him well. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏"
] |
>
Wishing him the best, I love hearing him talk. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well."
] |
>
Hopefully whoever the new Speaker is, McCarthy has no chance is Santos somehow doesn’t make it, allows remote voting still. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well.",
">\n\nWishing him the best, I love hearing him talk."
] |
>
Good god, this is the same guy that lost his son to cancer. He can’t catch a break. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well.",
">\n\nWishing him the best, I love hearing him talk.",
">\n\nHopefully whoever the new Speaker is, McCarthy has no chance is Santos somehow doesn’t make it, allows remote voting still."
] |
>
I believe his son committed suicide, actually, and Rep raskins been pretty open about mental health struggles since. Still a horrible tragedy | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well.",
">\n\nWishing him the best, I love hearing him talk.",
">\n\nHopefully whoever the new Speaker is, McCarthy has no chance is Santos somehow doesn’t make it, allows remote voting still.",
">\n\nGood god, this is the same guy that lost his son to cancer. He can’t catch a break."
] |
>
Not a fan of some of his political antics but I wish him a speedy recovery and many more good years of life. Fuck cancer. | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well.",
">\n\nWishing him the best, I love hearing him talk.",
">\n\nHopefully whoever the new Speaker is, McCarthy has no chance is Santos somehow doesn’t make it, allows remote voting still.",
">\n\nGood god, this is the same guy that lost his son to cancer. He can’t catch a break.",
">\n\nI believe his son committed suicide, actually, and Rep raskins been pretty open about mental health struggles since. Still a horrible tragedy"
] |
> | [
"In addition to destroying cancer cells, chemotherapy impairs natural antibodies and undermines the body’s immune system. I am advised that it also causes hair loss and weight gain (although I am still holding out hope for the kind that causes hair gain and weight loss).\n\nI'm glad he's keeping a positive outlook and is cracking jokes",
">\n\nI thought chemo would cause weight loss.",
">\n\nSteroids are used in chemo for lymphoma. Causes weight gain.",
">\n\nJamie has had poor luck over the past few yrs. Son dies, Jan 6, and now his own cancer. I truly hope he recovers quickly. He's a good dude and deserves nothing but happiness.",
">\n\nOh that’s awful. I can’t imagine.",
">\n\nFuck cancer. :(",
">\n\nYou know what fucks cancer? Holding cancer causing polluters and corporations accountable. We are still being sold carcinogens for profit in almost every product on the store shelves and it is in a lot of the air we breath and water we drink. Then we pay for the research to fix it with our tax dollars to just be sold the cure from another corporation many times for the rest of our lives. We are not helpless.",
">\n\nJesus. This guy can’t catch a break. \nI hate that for him. But I admire the hell out of him for doing what he’s done while undoubtedly going through this personal battle as well. \nHe’s a bastion of strength and I hope only for the best for him.",
">\n\nLast week, I learned my uncle may have cancer. It fucking sucks.",
">\n\nI would actually say not having to worry about medical costs or losing a paycheck is a huge break to catch.",
">\n\nOh, fuck. I hope he heals up quickly. I hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.",
">\n\n\nI hope the right also isn't disgusting about this.\n\nYou have more faith in them than I, friend.",
">\n\nThose are two different things - I have zero faith that they will be decent about it, but still hope that they are...",
">\n\nOh fuck, he's one of the good ones. Prayers up 🙏",
">\n\nI wish him well.",
">\n\nWishing him the best, I love hearing him talk.",
">\n\nHopefully whoever the new Speaker is, McCarthy has no chance is Santos somehow doesn’t make it, allows remote voting still.",
">\n\nGood god, this is the same guy that lost his son to cancer. He can’t catch a break.",
">\n\nI believe his son committed suicide, actually, and Rep raskins been pretty open about mental health struggles since. Still a horrible tragedy",
">\n\nNot a fan of some of his political antics but I wish him a speedy recovery and many more good years of life. Fuck cancer."
] |
Am I crazy on this one.
Should personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices?
That's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus.... | [] |
>
What I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device.
No you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus...."
] |
>
I work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly."
] |
>
Congress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record."
] |
>
I’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11."
] |
>
Can't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point."
] |
>
Meh.
I don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok"
] |
>
That'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with."
] |
>
As it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around"
] |
>
They pop up every weekday | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait."
] |
>
How many 13 year olds are on staff to need this? | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday"
] |
>
Every app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially.
Most companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?"
] |
>
but TikTok especially.
Not really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want."
] |
>
I have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials."
] |
>
Not a surprise. You shouldn't be installing that shit on work or government devices anyway.
If you wanna tiktok, use your own phone. I notice people being so alarmed like WHY IS AUBURN BANNING TIKTOK they're just banning it on their network, you're free to do it without using their wifi | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials.",
">\n\nI have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well."
] |
>
They don't need to be using social media on taxpayer funded phones anyway. Get a personal phone. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials.",
">\n\nI have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well.",
">\n\nNot a surprise. You shouldn't be installing that shit on work or government devices anyway. \nIf you wanna tiktok, use your own phone. I notice people being so alarmed like WHY IS AUBURN BANNING TIKTOK they're just banning it on their network, you're free to do it without using their wifi"
] |
>
Breaking news: company device policy blocks installation of certain apps. Slow news day? | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials.",
">\n\nI have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well.",
">\n\nNot a surprise. You shouldn't be installing that shit on work or government devices anyway. \nIf you wanna tiktok, use your own phone. I notice people being so alarmed like WHY IS AUBURN BANNING TIKTOK they're just banning it on their network, you're free to do it without using their wifi",
">\n\nThey don't need to be using social media on taxpayer funded phones anyway. Get a personal phone."
] |
>
The amount of people who come into these threads and either don’t give a shit or outright try to defend TikTok is comical… if it was any other social media platform in the headline these threads would be a dumpster fire | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials.",
">\n\nI have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well.",
">\n\nNot a surprise. You shouldn't be installing that shit on work or government devices anyway. \nIf you wanna tiktok, use your own phone. I notice people being so alarmed like WHY IS AUBURN BANNING TIKTOK they're just banning it on their network, you're free to do it without using their wifi",
">\n\nThey don't need to be using social media on taxpayer funded phones anyway. Get a personal phone.",
">\n\nBreaking news: company device policy blocks installation of certain apps. Slow news day?"
] |
>
Ah, man. Michelle Fischbach will never see my fast food reviews. | [
"Am I crazy on this one. \nShould personal apps and technologies already be not allowed on official devices? \nThat's like downloading Skyrim on a work laptop. Cool and fun. But get your own personal device Jesus....",
">\n\nWhat I don’t understand is why people don’t get the fact that if it’s a company or government issued phone they have legal rights to every thing on it. Of course you should have and want a personal device. \nNo you’re not crazy, just sensible, but people are who put personal apps on what is essentially someone else’s phone most certainly.",
">\n\nI work for local government and don't even connect my personal phone to the building wifi. I'm not doing anything I shouldn't, but I value my privacy and try to stay away from my personal phone becoming public record.",
">\n\nCongress takes credit for something that was already forbidden, more at 11.",
">\n\nI’m a federal employee. TikTok has never been allowed on our phones and there are security settings to ensure it can never be downloaded. I don’t know why this is suddenly news as if it wasn’t implemented literally 3 years ago at this point.",
">\n\nCan't wait until someone makes a short reaction of this on Tik-Tok",
">\n\nMeh.\nI don't think anyone should have social media apps on work-provided / corporate devices anyway. That's something you should only be using your personal device for to begin with.",
">\n\nThat'll be about as effective as their metal detectors that representatives choose to just walk around",
">\n\nAs it turns out, worthless news articles about TikTok bans, are great clickbait.",
">\n\nThey pop up every weekday",
">\n\nHow many 13 year olds are on staff to need this?",
">\n\nEvery app is a privacy concern, but TikTok especially. \nMost companies which run popular apps aren't going to hand over loads of information to China for a tiny fraction of their valuation. TikTok's owner is essentially required to hand over any information at any time, and the government can essentially tweak the algorithms to show what they want.",
">\n\n\nbut TikTok especially. \n\nNot really. All of your points about Chinese access to data are also true with respect to Twitter. Binance, a shady Chinese crypto company, invested heavily in Musk's Twitter acquisition and has a $500 million stake in the country. Twitter has an agreement to hand over unspecified private data to investors who contributed $250 million or more to support Musk's acquisition. For all we know, the Chinese government has access to all of the data on Twitter's servers dating back over a decade. It's a far greater national security threat given how prevalent Twitter is and has been among elected officials.",
">\n\nI have been trying to explain this to people for months.... I dont use tiktok because the chinese get all my data.. they say while on Twitter who gives all their data to China. Oh and the Saudis as well.",
">\n\nNot a surprise. You shouldn't be installing that shit on work or government devices anyway. \nIf you wanna tiktok, use your own phone. I notice people being so alarmed like WHY IS AUBURN BANNING TIKTOK they're just banning it on their network, you're free to do it without using their wifi",
">\n\nThey don't need to be using social media on taxpayer funded phones anyway. Get a personal phone.",
">\n\nBreaking news: company device policy blocks installation of certain apps. Slow news day?",
">\n\nThe amount of people who come into these threads and either don’t give a shit or outright try to defend TikTok is comical… if it was any other social media platform in the headline these threads would be a dumpster fire"
] |
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