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[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Michael was the most popular boys name for many years." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Michael was the most popular boys name for many years.", ">\n\nThere’s entirely too many Mike’s in the world. I work with 4 of them on my 14 person team" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Michael was the most popular boys name for many years.", ">\n\nThere’s entirely too many Mike’s in the world. I work with 4 of them on my 14 person team", ">\n\nRepublican has mostly been a \"white boy club\" with a token women occasionally as far back as I can remember ( 60\"s)" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Michael was the most popular boys name for many years.", ">\n\nThere’s entirely too many Mike’s in the world. I work with 4 of them on my 14 person team", ">\n\nRepublican has mostly been a \"white boy club\" with a token women occasionally as far back as I can remember ( 60\"s)", ">\n\nHonestly I just want the house GOP to be in news nonstop. There is no better campaign for the democrats than an honest depiction of the house GOP. I don’t love democrats, but we don’t have a viable alternative" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024.", ">\n\nThey Mike have made some gains there with these selections", ">\n\nHow many women named 'Mike' do they have?", ">\n\nJust Mike Hunt", ">\n\nDon‘t forget Representaive Litterus.", ">\n\nSo...at least one guy named Mike then.", ">\n\nNot surprised. \nWhy do women and minorities even touch the GQP ?", ">\n\nSame goes for Log Cabin republicans.", ">\n\nHas there ever been a more politically irrelevant group than the log cabin republicans. Their own party hates them and will never accept them or push their agenda, and they refuse to ever work with democrats even though the democrats at least think they should have rights", ">\n\nSo is like Mike the new go-to name for conservatives? Is it going to go the same way Karen did? I'd hate to be a Mike.", ">\n\nGatorade commercials of my childhood would beg to differ.", ">\n\nIn other news, Elise Stefanik will be changing her name to Mike Stefanik.", ">\n\nMichelle.", ">\n\nAnd what part of the GOP is a fascist racist misogynistic homophopic white boys liars club did you not get? \nAnd you still voted for them?", ">\n\nRelevent: [Link]", ">\n\nWell yeah, women are second-class citizens and should be at home taking care of the cleaning, cooking, and children. They have no place in government.\n/s for those that need it. This is a joke based on the GOP being sexist pigs.", ">\n\nEven GQP believe that.\nAmy Coney Barrett and her religious cult believes that women are lesser.", ">\n\nRepublican women deserve this humiliation. Voted for it.", ">\n\n\nCathy McMorris Rodgers\n\nShe only got her chair because McCarthy misheard her name as Cathy Mike Morris Rodgers.", ">\n\nTo be fair they only started recruiting token females to run for office recently, so they don't have very many with much seniority.", ">\n\nGreat headline.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Michael was the most popular boys name for many years.", ">\n\nThere’s entirely too many Mike’s in the world. I work with 4 of them on my 14 person team", ">\n\nRepublican has mostly been a \"white boy club\" with a token women occasionally as far back as I can remember ( 60\"s)", ">\n\nHonestly I just want the house GOP to be in news nonstop. There is no better campaign for the democrats than an honest depiction of the house GOP. I don’t love democrats, but we don’t have a viable alternative", ">\n\nGOP doesn’t give AF ab women. Sad to see white women go so heavily Republican , but not a surprise 😹" ]

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[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\"." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do." ]