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[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn…." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million)." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million).", ">\n\nThose are ROOKIE numbers! At least 100x this, come on!" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million).", ">\n\nThose are ROOKIE numbers! At least 100x this, come on!", ">\n\nBrutal surge? It feels like there was no downtime, people keep fucking dying there in droves." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million).", ">\n\nThose are ROOKIE numbers! At least 100x this, come on!", ">\n\nBrutal surge? It feels like there was no downtime, people keep fucking dying there in droves.", ">\n\nAt this rate, in 712 years, they won't have anyone left." ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million).", ">\n\nThose are ROOKIE numbers! At least 100x this, come on!", ">\n\nBrutal surge? It feels like there was no downtime, people keep fucking dying there in droves.", ">\n\nAt this rate, in 712 years, they won't have anyone left.", ">\n\nThis is deliberate punishment because the people had the audacity to go against the party.\n\"you don't want 0 covid? Here, habe 100% covid instead!\"\nMeasured responses? Treating their people better than animals? What's that?" ]

[ "This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina officially attributes just 5,200 deaths to COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic, including fewer than 40 COVID deaths since Beijing lifted President Xi Jinping's strict but ultimately futile \"Zero COVID\" strategy Dec. 7, The Washington Post reported Monday night.\n\"Projections made by international experts put the real death toll closer to 5,000 people each day, with several models predicting more than 1 million COVID deaths in China in 2023.\".\nA review of satellite images, videos posted to China's version of TikTok, and interviews with mourning relatives and overworked morgue workers affirm the surge in deaths.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: COVID^#1 China^#2 Post^#3 death^#4 pandemic^#5", ">\n\nVaccine contraband? The fuck is going on with this dystopia plot?", ">\n\nVery absurd. Vaccine contraband = any non Chinese made COVID vaccines/medications.", ">\n\nGod forbid that anyone should use a vaccine that works well.", ">\n\nDuring the Cold War, the U.S. offered aid under the Marshall plan to ALL affected countries. The soviet union rejected this aid for all countries under its sphere of influence. That's right, they basically rejected free money, because helping the people was never the goal. The goal was to expand their control. So they couldn't allow anyone else to help, even if they couldn't manage on their own - no especially if they couldn't manage on their own.", ">\n\nPotato famine wouldn’t have been as dire if the English queen didn’t block the food the Spanish king was trying to get into port and to the Irish for the same reason.", ">\n\nAt the height of the great hunger, there were more food exports leaving the country than foreign aid entering. The Irish weren’t allowed to eat the food they were farming for the English under penalty of death.", ">\n\nWhat's an \"unofficial\" death?", ">\n\nBasically the difference in what the government reports and what locals/foreigners are witnessing first hand.", ">\n\nIn short... nobody knows whats the real count", ">\n\nBasically, and us trying to pretend this is any more factual is just us confirming our bias.", ">\n\nAt that rate, it would take 773 years and 8 months or so to entirely depopulate China.", ">\n\nWhy does Reddit seem to think Western vaccines are the answer? Those (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\nEdit: to people confused by rhetorical questions I’m asking how can Western vaccines be the answer when the people who would benefit from these vaccines (the elderly) are clearly antivax and would never actually take them?", ">\n\nWhy in the would would someone think that a working vaccine is the answer to a disease?\nSo strange!", ">\n\nIt wasn't though, it was a pretty fucking obvious response to a stupid question.\n\nThose (mostly elderly) people in China who are unvaccinated are hardly going to be rushing out to get a Western vaccine if they have resisted getting vaccinated this long\n\nI didn't \"miss\" answering a question you didn't ask. You made a statement.", ">\n\nLol, Chloe. You might want to check out that definition yourself. Here, I'll make it easy for you:\n1) A question to which no answer is expected, often used for rhetorical effect.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n3) A question to which the asker does not expect an answer.\nAgain, you didn't ask a question, so I'm not sure how you were asking a question that you weren't expecting an answer to without actually asking the question. Sorry if you haven't made it through high school English yet. \nWe can be done now. I have no desire to continue fighting with your ego.", ">\n\n\nJust to be clear - definition 2 fits my usage. I asked a rhetorical question to set the grounds for my actual question.\n2) A question posed only for dramatic or persuasive effect.\n\nYou didn't ask a fucking question. This isn't that hard to understand and you're clearly not dumb. Reel in the ego, you're allowing it to make you look stupid and obstinate. \n\nHow do you convince people to get vaccinated who have resisted vaccination for the past 2 years?\n\nYou don't. That is natural selection. Same as it was with the idiots in the US who died in droves to own the libs.", ">\n\n\"The circle of life...its the wheel of fortune...\"", ">\n\nOn behalf of all Americans, I would like to return our wheel, it seems we have nothing but natural disasters and political infighting and corruption. I am requesting exchange for a wheel with a higher chance of landing on peaceful negotiation and fewer children shooting teachers/being shot while in school. Thanks.", ">\n\nI'm American. I travel a lot end up feeling grateful for what I have in Massachusetts. Our covid vacines work , the Chinese made kind don't even work. That's the problem or one of them. The Chinese gov won't buy Pfizer or whatever American or European brand vacines that do work at least somewhat. We had no lock downs ever. No one was sealed in their homes ever. After unemployment kicked in , it was ok. I went to Greece last year, there was no unemployment ever for some. Massachusetts has a lot people with guns. In really sane places like EU countries, no one legally has a gun just lying around on a coffee table at home. No kid grabs it if the parents know enough to never own a gun . That is totally preventable by decent government and just decent adults. \nThese are choices.", ">\n\nIt seems very few old people have the vacines though too. I don't think I trust the Chinese government on their data either. Do you ? Not on if it works or how many people have it. If it's not an mrna vacine especially.", ">\n\nTell me why they are trying to lie? Everybody has different methods of counting. CCP is in control of mainland China. If all they did was bullshit, they wouldn't be a rich country. It's stupid to think we all good and they are all evil. That's not how the world works.", ">\n\nIf I am unofficially dead do I still have to come to work?", ">\n\nYes but it's unofficial so you won't get paid. And if you make your boss mad he will make you officially dead and won't have to worry about consequences because you are already dead.", ">\n\nIs it that brutal of a winter when they have 1.4 billion people?", ">\n\nOne million covid deaths in China would be less than 0.1% of their population...", ">\n\nSure, but it would also be one million dead people.", ">\n\n10 million people die in China EVERY YEAR! When will someone do something to stop the madness!", ">\n\nNot sure if child or sociopath.", ">\n\nPorque no los dos?", ">\n\nThe worst part is that 5000 a day is still a low ball number of how bad it is. \nSome of the stuff Ive seen suggests that the crematoriums are having to handle anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 bodies a day, with a normal capacity of only about 4000.\nOther things estimate that between 300m-600m infections have happened in the past month or so. \nAnd supposedly this recent surge is bad enough that even senior officials with access to the best and somewhat ethically concerning medical practices they have available are still getting done in by covid. \nGranted, any kind of accurate info about the severity of what is going on in china is hard to come by, and everyone everywhere has some kind of agenda they are trying to push, but things aren’t looking good over there.", ">\n\nThose numbers seem crazy high, pretty unbelievable if you ask me. Can we just accept the fact that we don't know without crazy speculation? I mean, this is no better than the disinformation that the Chinese government is putting out. Just because it confirms your bias (China bad, COVID bad) doesn't mean it's alright to push misinformation.", ">\n\nI'm having flashbacks to mid-pandemic when Reddit was convinced China was cremating 20% of its entire population daily.", ">\n\n\"China must stop locking up its citizens for its Zero COVID policy\"\n\"China is letting 5,000 people a day die due to COVID\"", ">\n\nThey had several years to vaccinate and perform clinic trials for their vaccine and foreign alternatives theres no real excuse for this. They used a vaccine with poor efficiency just because it was made by their government and are paying the price.", ">\n\nA large portion of China's vulnerable population has been fed propaganda that western medicine is evil and will hurt them.\nCCP really knew how to put themselves between a rock and a hard place on this one.", ">\n\nThat portion is not taking Chinese vaccines either. They are just anti-vax. Can't do shit either way. Plus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.", ">\n\n\nPlus Chinese Vax would stop hospitalization either way and are effective.\n\nIIRC the Sinovac formula only had a portion of Western efficacy. Still a lot of leeway for an infection to break through", ">\n\nWay higher. Beijing alone is probably 5000/day.\nWhile official Chinese news has been mute in the subject, anybody with family back in China knows how bad it is.\nMy uncle just died of COVID in China. Went to the hospital with mild symptoms and the doctor straight up told him to get his affairs in order as he’s as good as dead. Plopped him in a bed in some room, zero care, zero medication. He died a few days later. \nThis was Shanghai and he was a retired government worker with good benefits.\nHospitals are full, no medication available anywhere, and crematoriums are so backed up the government is burning bodies in steel foundries in bulk.\nThey’ve been using industrial freezers meant for meat to store dead bodies.\nComplete shitshow.", ">\n\nYou live in a fantasy world", ">\n\n\"Unofficial?\" Where do they think they are - Florida?", ">\n\nThat's like a 1.8M unofficial death per year rate. But I guess China will go through covid quickly since they're all getting it basically.\nSo weird that they spent years doing everything to avoid covid and then some people protested so they let everyone get it.", ">\n\nLol authoritarianism strikes again", ">\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride and purchase Western MRNA vaccines.", ">\n\n\nThe CCP should have swallowed their pride\n\nI can't think of any precedent for this happening.", ">\n\nYou mean like when they backed off their Zero COVID policy after sufficient public sentiment was expressed against this? The one that Xi and the government made a cornerstone of their domestic and foreign policy?", ">\n\nThat zero covid policy really fucked them, in the long run...", ">\n\nThey could have vaccinated the whole population.\nInstead the did nothing.", ">\n\nThey couldn’t afford our vaccines and didn’t want to have access to the vaccine weaponized by the West. Under those circumstances, they did the best they could. Unfortunately, we Americans aren’t the only nation populated by idiots who couldn’t handle a lockdown and their lockdowns made ours look like a walk in the park. Their morons couldn’t take the abuse and rioted much like our morons did (ours had it easier but morons are gonna moron). So China decided that rather than foment a revolution and go broke at the same time they’d just say screw it and open the place up. Which was probably not the best of ideas.\nOn the bright side, once a lot of people die they won’t have as many citizens to deal with. That’s only a bright side if you have a very cynical view about the value of human life, of course.", ">\n\nIt’s fucked up but doesn’t this kind of help their problem of having a mostly elderly population? Since I’m assuming most of these deaths are elderly patients.", ">\n\nEven that number is probably grossly underestimated.", ">\n\nI heard this was expected. When China locked everyone in, they seemed to not experience the same amount of covid deaths as, say, the US. But they were doomed if they ever opened up, which they would have to do at some point.", ">\n\nSo China reaches goals of depopulation faster & scares the rest of the world all at the same time. Win win for China", ">\n\nChinese protested like crazy to end the lockdowns so the lockdowns ended. Now 5000 a day are dying. Maybe this should be posted in r/LeapardsAteMyFace.", ">\n\nChina is also waging an economic war against Japan and Korea because arent openly allowing Chinese vacationers in. Yeah, no thanks China.", ">\n\nYet in the UK we are letting them come in as long as they test. They don't have to isolate if positive though, it's just to get an idea of numbers. \nI'm just waiting for our numbers to show again.", ">\n\nSo, the equivalent of about 1,400 deaths per day in the USA, which the United States almost tripled the past two Januaries.\nGet real.", ">\n\nGet real about what?\nIt’s a news report. They report the news, you know, the things that happen so that we all know what’s going on.\nIt’s not a contest with other countries or a condemnation of China. Maybe you’re too used to editorialized articles or propaganda but real news just says “this happened” and there doesn’t need to be an agenda behind it.", ">\n\nI'm clearly responding to the masses of idiots in this thread that celebrate Chinese death. Get real.", ">\n\n“Clearly”. A top level comment addressed to no one is not clear.\nI scrolled the entire thread and didn’t see a single instance of anything remotely resembling celebrating anyone’s death. But I did see several instances of you downplaying it and comparing it to the West.\nSeems you’re caught in a lie.", ">\n\nShame on the CCP. From a clearly broken system that drove your citizens to the brink of mental insanity all while claiming superiority, to now abandoning your people and letting them suffer more.", ">\n\nThere is a brutal COVID + flu surge in Europe as well, local hospitals are at full capacity.", ">\n\nUS ain't doing so hot either.", ">\n\nRSV is still keeping a lot of hospitals here in the US full of kids. New Mexico is getting federal assistance because Albuquerque is getting absolutely slammed.", ">\n\nI had adult rsv for a week. Fucking sucks", ">\n\nCurious what the symptoms were for you. Still trying to figure out what we had. It seems like it should have been covid but a couple negative tests and also nobody had any loss of taste or smell. Mostly fever, nausea headache turning into a lingering head/chest cold, with a tendency to relapse.", ">\n\nI took a nap one evening, and then woke up with a sore throat. The next day I started having a dry cough like a feather was tickling my throat, except I would end up coughing all day and night and ended up loosing sleep due to the cough. Throughout the week I would experience fever like symptoms that only really affected me in the morning. I never got tested so I don't know what it was either but based on my googling it was rsv. It sucked because I ended up coughing so much that my chest hurt from all the coughing so then every cough I took was painful. I'm 24 and fairly fit/healthy so I feel bad for older/compromised people that have to deal with this\nEdit: the fatigue lasted about 1-2 weeks after the sickness ended", ">\n\nI'm not surprised China is hiding the real numbers. They always hide the bad news about them.", ">\n\nSo the Chinese are exposing the entire world to the risk of new dangerous mutations because they're too proud to use EU and US vaccines and instead used their non functional crap. There should be repercussions.", ">\n\n\nThere should be repercussions\n\n\"China, go to your room and think about what you have done!\"", ">\n\nThat's pretty low if real tbh.", ">\n\nNow that there are no more white rhino horns to make the traditional cure there will be issues.", ">\n\nthey did this to themselves", ">\n\nParadoxically, China needs high covid death rates for its economy not to collapse in the near future, given its grim demographics.", ">\n\nHorrible idea, also wrong", ">\n\nThe way the media frames China's COVID situation is really quite disgusting. I am sure the Politburo had made mistakes but the western media seems to get off on gloating in Chinese hardship. Whether it shuts down or opens up, China can do no right.\nThis is a global pandemic. We are all in it together.", ">\n\nDid you have the same comment when China was gloating and telling their people how much better their response was than the west?", ">\n\nThe Chinese media was proud that it had comparatively very few deaths and touted its response. I might be mistaken, but I do not believe it ever celebrated mass death in the US or elsewhere. Provide evidence for your stance or stop being a child", ">\n\nYou haven't shown evidence of the US media \"celebrating\".\nProvide evidence for your stance", ">\n\nif the professor says it happened, it happened. You can confirm this with gilligan or the skipper", ">\n\nI've heard some estimates of over 15k per day in just Beijing", ">\n\nAs much as I hate humans suffering, I hate Traditional Chinese Medicine even more, and Covid and this latest surge is the result IMO of TCM and the medieval mindset it promotes.", ">\n\nSure they are!", ">\n\nOfficially, they lived and are living in a farm upstate.", ">\n\nBoy, it sure is wild how it’s not spreading to the western countries again, like it did in 2020. Almost like there’s something protecting the majority of western populations from COVID.\nA mystery for the ages.", ">\n\nNot for long…", ">\n\nSo what is the reason why China is experiencing such a dramatic surge in deaths rn?? Is this a new variant we should be worried about that’s being mislabeled as Omicron? Is it their vaccine?\nI’ve heard some blame being thrown at their “ineffective COVID vaccine” but I’m worried that there might be more to it.", ">\n\nIneffective vaccines and new variant.", ">\n\nZero covid worked great.", ">\n\nPeople just want to hate on china. Anti-communits.", ">\n\nUmmm yes?", ">\n\nunofficial deaths.\n​\nis that when they find out you died on the job. sorry your husband died witout notifying officials first so you lose 10,000 social credit.", ">\n\nYou can tell they covered up the evidence of a billion deaths- look at how little evidence there is!", ">\n\nTheir numbers are obviously false. 5200 total COVID deaths? When the pandemic started no one know the proper treatment and China was first hit. With most other countries reporting thousands of deaths per day during peak COVID, it's not realistic that China, the most populous country, had so few.", ">\n\nThat’s not going to help their demographic issues", ">\n\nHow so? It's probably mostly elderly people dieing of covid, as in other countries. So this is unlikely to cause further issues for age balance of the population getting older.", ">\n\nJust left Hong Kong two days ago and am sick as hell. I'll be taking a test within a few hours. I've had covid three times already and this feels nothing like the other times, but I need to make sure to be safe before continuing my travels.", ">\n\nThe test won't make you safer if you feel sick, even if it is negative.", ">\n\nIt will prepare me for quarantines and let me know how to behave responsibly around my loved ones.", ">\n\nAgain, you should do that regardless if you're feeling sick…", ">\n\nOnce again, I don't know if I'll be quarantined in my next two countries if I don't know if I have covid. I'd like to make hotel reservations for longer stays if necessary. I don't think you do a lot of international traveling so I'm pretty much done with you telling me what to do.", ">\n\nAlright, typhoid Mary. Enjoy the spreading.", ">\n\nThis person is literally saying ''I need to get tested because I want to continue travelling but don't want to be spreading it''. How is that a bad thing to do? Clearly the implication is that they won't if they test positive.", ">\n\nThey're still sick, even if they'd test negative. How the fuck is that such a weird concept to grasp?", ">\n\nAlmost like traveling spreading flu, RSV, or some other significant respiratory disease is also bad, even if they don't have covid.", ">\n\nWhich is somehow an outlandish and never heard before thing. Diseases simply didn't exist before covid apparently.", ">\n\nChina's government kills more people than that OFFICIALLY on a daily basis......where is the news frenzy about that?", ">\n\n^ speak louder for the people in the back. I can link videos of the Chinese government kidnapping people, killing peoples pets in front of them, etc. It’s amazing how everyone who speaks out against them goes missing for a month or two, and comes back a borderline vegetable with the only difference being they can move.", ">\n\nWhen you lock everyone inside and no one has a chance to build immunity, this is what you get. China has been shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, for the last 3+ years regarding covid protocols", ">\n\nEven though this serious news was released, the CCP regime criticized strongly many democratic nations that joined the parade to block Chinese people’s entering. China is a perfectly insane nation. Furthermore, the CCP government announced the ridiculous policy China won’t allow foreigners’ short-term visits to China regardless of business people or tourists from western democratic countries. \nThus, many virologists all over the world have said that China would like to spread out the upgrade version pandemic one more time to kill western people indirectly. If all democratic countries wish to protect their societies & citizens against the virus rampage from China, political leaders should consider the last option to disconnect from China’s everything. \nEven other Pro-China countries such as Pakistan & Iran might not understand the CCP regime’s out-of-mind announcement. The undeniable fact is the city of China Wuhan was the first starting point of this human-killing virus COVID-19, according to most western democratic nations’ research results. 🤬🤬", ">\n\nJust had RSV/flu/corona then ultimately pneumonia, sick for 3 weeks but ok now\nDoctors didn’t even test for covid", ">\n\nYeah I don’t know what my family had either. Two negative covid tests but they were otc so I don’t know if that means anything. One negative flu test.\nSymptoms were like nothing I’ve ever had or known anyone to have.", ">\n\nYup mother nature is slowly trying to get rid of a lot of us at once!", ">\n\nImagine the subsequent long covid effect on the working population. Keeping industry/factory productivity up might be tough.", ">\n\nWhere is the number, 5000 from? China isn’t recording daily infections anymore.", ">\n\nI thought they all vaccines?", ">\n\nIt's a bit frightening to think of the carnage. Are they using the latest vaccines, the article was not so clear on that? \nA large population, a large infection rate - could mean more variants.", ">\n\nThats too bad", ">\n\n5000 seems kinda small when you're starting at 1 billion.", ">\n\nFor reference, according to this article, China’s current death rate is 0.6 deaths/100k population/day due to covid. The US’s is 0.1, according to CDC data. \nAt the height of the pandemic, the US was around 2-3 deaths/100k pop/day. \nSo, while this is not great, it’s also not “OMG our vaccines are a failure!” They’re just not as effective. \nAnd disregarding emotion and humanity (which the CCP is probably doing, without saying it out loud), China needs its elderly population to decline sharply, making room for a baby boom, for its long term economic prosperity.", ">\n\nWhen does this become Covid-23?\nI ask tongue in cheek, but I’m also kind of genuinely curious.", ">\n\nA lot of the things China is experiencing is avoidable had they been transparent from the get-go and could be getting help from other countries with more effective vaccines.", ">\n\nWhat’s up with the wagon wheel gurney?", ">\n\nWell, look at this way, his buddy Putin, sends adolescence and seniors as cannon fodder to clean out the population, especially people on government assistance, Xi, is sending his people out of the country to share the gift, the others who can’t leave, oh, well..all the while, Xi, is in his protective bubble… I bet you he got a western Covid vaccine", ">\n\nThere are vaccines", ">\n\nWait you mean to tell me the nation infamous for public deception and scandal has lied again???", ">\n\nThe rest of the world watches and goes into full denial mode about how serious the pandemic is and how it is not over yet.", ">\n\nWell that sucks", ">\n\nChina either needs to develop a better vaccine, or use \"Evil Western Vaccines\".\nWhat they have is not keeping people alive.", ">\n\nHave they tried stopping testing?", ">\n\nWorks for the State of Washington!", ">\n\nUh that's an exceedingly low number, they should be congratulating themselves if that's true.", ">\n\nYou really are showing the west now China.", ">\n\nWhere are you now antivaxxers? Still don't believe that the vaccine worked?", ">\n\nwell the chinese ones certainly don't but to be fair hey are probably made out of homeopathic dose of Xi's crocodile tears.", ">\n\nI'm talking real medicine not voodoo magic.", ">\n\nBetter question is.. is any if those deaths from people who are vaccinated?\nBecause I'm getting the feeling all those deaths are from unvaccinated people who IMHO werent told about it, or were told they dont need it, or was denied getting it by China Government.", ">\n\nSinovax wasn’t great against the original strain.. after that it basically stopped working. Phizer / moderna offered them the vaccine but they demanded the IP behind it. It’s a different ball game over there.", ">\n\nSince when did anyone trust china’s numbers on this?", ">\n\nFYI if you look around Twitter a bit, it's probably a hell of a lot more than that", ">\n\nAnd the total dead will still be their starting, BS statistic “1,000,000 casualties.”. Hopefully, now, we are actually keeping tabs on how many are dying in China.", ">\n\nTo point out, China has an official death count under 6,000. Not per day.", ">\n\nAh shit, here we go agaynnnnn….", ">\n\nEquivalent to 125 deaths a day in the US if you scale it by population (1.4 billion vs 330 million).", ">\n\nThose are ROOKIE numbers! At least 100x this, come on!", ">\n\nBrutal surge? It feels like there was no downtime, people keep fucking dying there in droves.", ">\n\nAt this rate, in 712 years, they won't have anyone left.", ">\n\nThis is deliberate punishment because the people had the audacity to go against the party.\n\"you don't want 0 covid? Here, habe 100% covid instead!\"\nMeasured responses? Treating their people better than animals? What's that?", ">\n\nBut, but, all the Chinese on Reddit told me there were only 5,000 COVID deaths in China in 3 years..." ]

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[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget." ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?" ]

[ "This house term is going to be one big face-palming clown show.", ">\n\nIt Mike be, yeah.", ">\n\nFirst bill was to allow tax cheats and take 100 billion from the budget.", ">\n\nClown show or Murder show?!\nI know it still has to go to the Senate, but man! They really don’t like us do they?", ">\n\nThe GOP is trying to lockdown the crucial 'Mike' vote for 2024." ]